It is time for a minute to bitch alittle bit. I don't get what the problem is with Israeli men. It seems to me they are pretty much crazy, possibly psycho, definatly weird.
Why? Why? Why?
And it is not just me. Almost every girl I know has the same problems.
I guess I had this strange fantasy in my head that coming to Israel would make the whole dating-finding-the-right-one-getting-married-at-some-point easier. After all consider this: If you are a Jewish single girl and feel that it is important to marry a Jewish guy, what better place than to find him in Israel. Chances are almost every guy you come in contact with will be Jewish. And that is one big pressure taken off right there.
Problem is, they (Israeli men) are sooooo weird. I have not meet one guy who I would consider a "normal guy" they are either playing the field, interested but not that interested, so good looking and they act like they know it, feaky and you want at least 3 meters between you two, or I don't know what.
Very agrivating. As for the date that I went out on. Eventhough he said he would like to see me again, he seems to be avoiding me like the plague. Why not say, "I'm just not interested", if you aren't interested. Why lie. It won't hurt my feelings that much.
What the heck is going on here? I feel like I am living in an episode of Sex And The City!
About Me
- Elizabeth
- En HaShofet, Nothern Israel, Israel
- I have lived in Israel for 2 and a half years now. I have just been discharged from the military in Israel after a year of service. Now the future is wide open! I am currently working and living on Kibbutz En HaShofet.Born in Los Angeles. I can be a very shy person at times till I know people. I am an optimist. I love the beach, summer, and tan lines. My favorite time period of my life was age 16 to 19 when I lived with my grandpa on his farm in NY State. I love mango. I love peace. I believe that unicorns exist.
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Elizabeth,
You're making a generalization about all Israeli men, which isn't fair, thus you haven't met all types of Israeli men.
I was born in Israel and my parents moved to CA when I was 14. I'm now 28, on my own, done with school, have a career in the City of SF and I'm still single.
I look American on the outside, but true Israeli on the inside.
Most Israeli men, and including myself are quite direct, to the point and aggressive. It is strange that an Israeli men wouldn't just tell you he wasn't interested, I would, but again that's just me.
You might have more luck meeting Israelis outside of Israel, but the bottom line is, we aren't ALL weird, crazy and play games as you might think.
I'm having a lot of difficulties finding a woman in CA, yet I try my hardest not to make too many stereo-types about them, although I think most of them are hopeless, and couldn't keep up with me.
You're right, Israeli men are assholes in every way. Acting too macho, too stuck and plain run of the mill assholes. I live in Israel born in Israel lived 85% of my life in NY and hate israel and the fucking people here. that's why everyone in the world hates Israel, they're just plain and simple big time assholes. yes, all the israel men have that assholeness. I for one was born here but grew in the US, have great manners, never show off, never stuck up. this is what women like not that shit ass israeli men like the asshole looking guys in zohan which are all over.
I was engaged to an Israeli guy, loved him very much, what a psycho...I had to leave, painful as it was. Macho and stubborn, spoiled brat when he can't have his own way...Dear G-d, I just couldn't take it anymore!!! Reason never seemed to apply, even if something he said was completely insane, in his world, it was fact and there was no changing his mind if you brought in ten experts. Everything seems to insight an attitude or argument between Israelis. I just wanted to feel as an equal partner to my fiance, but his nice guy act would only last so long until he'd convince me to come back to him and then he'd start again with the macho, "I'm the man of the house" crap again. He was very manipulative, he knew why I kept leaving him and sometimes would admit "You have been better to me than any girl in my life and I know I haven't behaved well or talked to you nicely" other times, it was all my fault "You just wanna leave cause I'm too good to you", so which is it?! I think he knows...That macho ego is ugly...
I lived in Israel for two years when I was with him and found most of the people to be extremely aggressive which really annoyed me. In the US, we tend to not be so blunt, we try to candy coat things, I can't tell you how many times I almost fainted when I heard Israelis insult each other like "You're fat" or "You're not good looking enough to get into that club", I almost had a heart attack. And then one can't forget the guy who told me to get off a public bench on a main road, cause he wanted to sit there and therefore, he was so special of course, it should be his!!
Got pushed out of the way in stores, pretty much told what to do by everybody...Seems to be a theme there "I know everything, so just listen to me and save time cause I'm obnoxious and inpatient anyway!"
I am sure there are good people everywhere, this was just my experience. My ex fiance always said he hated Israeli women because they were so bossy, in the end I told him "Good, you will end up with someone just like you! Guess that's what you deserve, huh?!"
My advice, from experience, RUN for your life. You will only be turned into emotional road kill.
I was involved...or still am...I am not sure cause he keeps coming on and off....anyway...with an Israeli guy...much older than me...about 20 years older.
I must admit that its way of being...his sex appeal ...his looks...his brain...his sense of humour...really made me fall in love. The thing that pist me off was his own indecissiveness. I mean...yeah, I love you...let`s get married...and then...I am not ready now, I have things to take care of. I am not that desperate to get married...but I was hanging for a while of his I LOVE YOU words. His age and his seriousness made me feel that was true. The moment I said OK, THAT`S ENOUGH, I WANT US TO HAVE A LITTLE BREAK UNTIL YOU CLEAR YOUR MIND AND DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT ...welll....he kinda dissapeared. Yeah, I know what you think...he just waited for me to dump me.
I have the same question as the person before: why can`t they just tell the truth in the face: ok, I am not interested in you anymore...it was nice, but not for the long run...I would have had more respect for him instead of keep telling me lies...so disappointed in israelis...so disappointed...
OMG! I have exactly the same experience as the last poster. My Israeli guy is such a flake.
He can be very pressured and intense in commitment and issues ultimatums etc - then next month he is a total commitment phobe at the very mention of a previous statement of his own and runs a million miles - I can't keep up with him.
Anyone know why this is?
I never pressured him into anything but he is EXTREMELY hot and cold. It's crazy. Why are they like this?
I'm going to have to leave this one because he can't make up his mind.
I am the one that posted before BE DAZZLED...
My answer to WHY do I think THEY ARE LIKE THIS is: Israeli men tend to be like this..bossy, insecure, with ever-changing moods, etc...because they are aware GOD chose them as a blessed people, they feel blessed and lucky...but my humble opinion is that some of them lost contact with God and with their respectful faith and just got stuck with their pride. And the overrated, exagerrated pride leads to illusions , then to questions, then to loss of self-trust. God forgive me if I am mistaken, but I have seen stupid prides before in my life and nothing compared to that of Israeli men. No offense.
And I hate it when they are cheap...I mean, if you can give them services for FREE...they are very happy...they argue even for a diference of 30 euros...pretty disgusting . I mean you think of the self-trust they are showing all the time. You don`t have enough self-trust to make 30 euros? SICK, SICK, SICK.
You guyz gave such good advise. I also had similar experiences with Israeli men. I love that explaination about God and stuff. I love to find out the real reason and get to the bomttom of this.
The only things I can think of is these men are very selfish and foolish. In the end, they suffer a lot in their soul. When they are young, they don't notice it. But when they get older karma will come back to them. Mostly, I think, the culture and the religion is messing up their values and self-esteem. (different from self-confidence). Also, there must be some kind of gender issue. Do they have problems respecting women? and treat women as equals? If that's the case, it's because they fear women. They fear their power. When people don't respect other people, it's becaus they don't respect themselves to start with. And if that's the case, I wonder, does the culture and the religion, and the way Isrealis are raised cause thse men to have low self-respect?
For the original author and those who may come across this post I do want to say that not ALL Israeli men are terrible. I dated one for six months here in the US before his work visa expired. He was a very confident person and quite blunt. However, taking into account that portion of their culture I have no other complaints. He always paid for our outings(without haggling), and never played the hot and cold act that some of you seem to have suffered through. I didn't write in to boast about my experience, but to assure others that good men, good Israeli men, do exist.
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It seems you all dont get the cultural differences. The Israelis are Middle Eastern! Yes, they are influenced by the countries and cultures their ancestors come from, but down to it they are Middle Eastern naturally. This means that the gender rolls are different than those of the Americans and those of the Europeans. Understanding what is culture, what is social difference and what is personality is very difficult. When cultures clash the gender rolls, the socioeconomic backgrounds and the personality types go glitch, and knowing what is what, is very hard.
Dont blame it on the guys.
Ive recently met an Israeli man. Im having some trouble figuring him out. Half the time I think his sweet, funny and a great person, the other half I think his a rude asshole. I seriously dont know what to do or think. Which one is he? saying that, Im experiencing about the same Israeli men problems as some of you ... His now in Israel and asked me to go over and join him for a while. Half of me really wants to, the other half is really scared, he might turn into a complete asshole... Just dont know what to expect...
:))))) You are scared of the asshole in him:)) Like the gentleman before said...it seems that we don`t get their culture and their socio-economic personalities:) could be...but how can we succeed in relating with them, since they are so cameleonic? maybe they think WE are crazy...and they are perfectly normal:))I don`t know..but one thing is for sure: they are lovable:)Maybe someone else could explain their asshole side...in terms we could understand...European or Americans:)
i agree with you! i met the most beautiful man outside of a club, found he was israeli...then i found out he is married has two kids and is a whore!!! they like to date women 10 years younger too. so charming, so perfect but total whores!
Well, just met an Israeli man for the first time at a Home Depot, the minute we saw each other it felt magnetic. We couldn't stop looking at one another. I finally looked away but then he happened to go down the exact aisle I had to go down. Long story short, very agressive, very charming, very sexy . . . , but I could tell, he was after one thing and I was looking for more. Felt like he was the hunter and I was his prey. Anyway, I ended up saying goodbye, after meeting with him two times because I could tell he would be trouble for me and never followed through with his promises. I was so drawn to him . . , more then I have been to anyone in a very long time. Also, lied about his age because I was older then him, and he told me he owned real estate . . , buildings and had an AC business and chartered planes, told me he would fly me to Atlantic City on his plane, told me he was giving and installing a humidifier in my house . . . , did he do any of these things . . , NO. I think it was just a ploy to get me where he wanted me before walking away. Trouble, with a capital T, but Oh My Gosh . . , addictively attractive . . ., and I am not just referring to looks. It took me a couple of weeks of using my rationale to purge myself of his hold. But when ever he comes to mind . . , I just get breathless.
Israeli men... hmmm... I don't think it is JUST Israeli men, I think it has more to do w/men spoiled by mom. Maybe it is that there are just more spoiled men in Israel. It's what I have seen in the behaviors you have described. Also, no woman is good enough for a spoiled man's mom. I think it's because they would have to be like HER, to be good enough for her son. Problem is, if the woman were just like her, she would then be jealous of that woman. It's a no-win situation unless YOU make the rules. Women are too easily persuaded to give it all away without thought to the consequences for their actions. It's the old, "Oh...., but he LOVE'S me." Really? How did he show you that? What? He TOLD you? So... you sleep with him. And that's when a woman makes her very first mistake. There needs to be a lot more going on in a relationship than, "Oh, he is sooo hot!" "He's sooo funny and fun!" "He is sooo into me!" Yeah...., uh huh. Frankly, it's the behavior of women (including the mom's) which dictate a man's behavior. If he doesn't have to work for it, he will keep it at arms length. You will save yourself a lot of trouble by seeing if he will work for it by making a monogamous commitment to you (Amit said she had that by being engaged... evidently, not enough), a date on the calendar and are making plans for a future do you truly give your heart to him. If he is not there with you, believe me, he won't be there after you keep giving in to his every whim. Women seem to feel sex equals commitment. It does not. Remember that saying, book and movie "He's Just Not That Into You!"? Well, take heed. Work on your own self-esteem rather than trying to figure him out. Figure yourself out first and good luck out their in finding "Mr. Right" in relationship land! You will be far less disappointed if you don't invest in an empty intention if you are WILLING to ask the tough questions FIRST. By the way, I LOVE Israeli men... and... I LOVE Israel! And... for the record... I am NOT Jewish....
Ladies, Ladies. Do we not think that the people described here are NOT "Israeli", NOT "men" but twats, idiots and losers. We need to STOP associating behaviour with vast nations of people. However, saying that I did type "what are Israeli men like?" into Google!!! Oh dear. Ladies, Ladies, we simply have no hope...
After reading all of the posts (after laughing soo much and said HELL YEAH..) i need to comment about MY CASE. I meet a israeli guy, crazy, funny, really smart and freaking attractive. He was selling some things in the mall booom! we met.. after this we start dating and everything was good.. this was on US and me.. well im not from the US so i return to my country and we were talking by phone or email some times.. nothing woww serious.. after more of one year i return to the US and I see this crazy guy again. waooo chemistry again.. attraction..YES big time.. and we were dating again.. living the life .. u know.. we had a good time that some months after this he came to me, to visit me to southamerica and was really good. after this.. some months passed and i go again after him. the thing is that this guy sometimes showed his macho actitude and also i was kinda geting sick of.. " im jewish .. im special... we different from everybody.. we are the true religion ..blabla bla" also i meet all his family, friends the liked me, but some of them.. specialy the girls.. didnt like all the time we were together because was a little bit serious.. like special... anyways.. omg.. this guy.. u wont believe.. HE THINKS HES THE GIRL OF THE RELATIONSHIP.. WHYYY?? omg.. he complains.. he fix more his hair than i do.. he cares 2 much about his clothes (YEAH. HES NOT GAY JUST IN CASE) and always bossy.. aiaiaiiiii... the thing that i didnt like the most is that hes not open to his feeelings.. so is like im also getting tired in waiting when hes gonna tell me something nice or things like this.. i came back to my country and he told me that he didnt want to talk to me more because of his religion... because im not jewish and more bullshit.. and this is not all.. this guy tries to reach me by his cousin or friends to contact to me again.. i mean.. who understands it.. maybe hes brain fucked up between his personal religious conflicts.. the thing is .. IS NOT FAIR.. omg.. anyways i still think about him everyday, i deserve better.. of course but a israeli guy is hard to get out of our minds...
WOW! interesting comments!
i have a brother and know plenty of israely men that are amazing men. For all of the people that had bad experiences with israeli men i can relate but i have to let you know that you are stereotyping "israeli men". There are good & bad people from all cultures and you just happened to run into the bad ones. So keep an opened mind that your impression of israeli men is not totally accurate.
yes...another curious thing I noticed too...my israeli guy , like the one that posted before...has some strange belief that , if he contacts my relatives with things that concern only us, he will be better understood and that this intervention could lead me to say he is right, I am wrong. That is clearly a bossy attitude....my guy , well...we had a 7 months relationship..and I am NOT imagining:)...after that he left back to his country ...it`s just that he left something behind- ME PREGNANT:) after he found out he broke all contact with me...but now I have a little boy with a funny cute israeli nose:) I guess a part of me will always love an asshole like him:)...he would freak out if he knew I consider him like that...:)) but it`s the truth...I will never understand him...but...I keep my faith that I bumped into the bad category of israeli men. Good luck to you all:)
PS. For those still in contact with Hebrew language...can you post your favourite song in Hebrew? I want to teach my son one day ...the Hebrew language.:)thank you.:)
well..don't know...still love israeli men...yes there is the typical asshole...but that model exists everywhere you go really...maybe they are more obnoxious, rude, arrogant but i think its up to the woman to set her boundaries with a guy from the get go. if he is running the show he will take advantage - no doubt. i also think sefardi versus ashkenazie has a lot to do with it...i'm still smitten though...
the best israeli album for children is "Ha Keves Ha shishaasar"
Translated: The 16th Lamb.
definitely worth finding. Its the quintessential Israeli Album for children. Every song on it is a classic. Has a collection of artists on it, was made (I believe) in the 70's and its beautiful and wonderfully poetic. A great way to learn Hebrew for sure...And hey let's cut Israeli men some slack here, I mean damn they have to serve in the army for three years. I don't know any other country with an army service that long. It can't be easy being an Israeli man or woman for that matter. What I like about them is that they cut to the chase and if you are direct with them they will be direct back.
omg.. you have an israeli son.. omggg when i read this i got crazy, what a history you have girl...like a telenovela.. im the one that post 2 comments before yours. I also have a kind of experience like yours.. when i told my israeli that i MIGHT be pregnant (but i wasnt) he also cut contact with me..what an asshole!!
nowadays..im still inlove of him and i dont understand how but everyday i think about this guy, is sick but is true=(
about the song .. put in youtube this song: kolgalgal im inlove of that song the best!!!
and about my case-- well...i really would like other shot with him, ill need to travel to his country to try his.. maybe worth it, maybe not.. but the problem is that im inlove :S. what kills me about him is that he dont opens his hurt, like.. he someetimes just tells me nice things, but hes not likeee a sweetheart =(
I am the one with the israeli son...I just wanted to tell you that it seems that the only one IN LOVE here was only YOU- this is why it hurts so much because he doesn`t seem like a sweetheart anymore...anyway, I wish you not to be like that but just keep that beautiful memory of him, don`t go further with him...it will only make you waste your time when you can meet someone else much more worthy of your love... as regards the baby that resulted from our relationship, he didn`t wanted it and he kinda rejects the idea I think because(among others) of the religion issues...first that I am not jewish and I will never be, second that my baby will be Christian, and then...the baby was not out of a legal marriage..and he is a boy, and boys should be circumcized ...anyway...I guess it wasn`t meant to be, though it was painful to believe a long time after he left, it is the TRUTH.
hello stranger
yeah probably you are right.. seems that im the only one in love.. so .. not good! I just hope I can get this guy out of my mind because is killing me. I called him today and he even did not answer the phone.. so basicly is o.v.e.r and i feeel soooo stupid... beeing in love is the worst thing ever when you get in love of a dushbag.. gggrrr...
i have to tell you that you are a really strong woman because of ur experience and the way now u are living. my best wishes for you and your son.
me... i hope i can move on fast =(
hi, again p22. if you like , we can chat more about the issue "israeli kind of men we met":)) on yahoo messenger. My ID is astonish_ego. I am currently obsessed by Lyfe Jennings`s songs "Statistics " and " Busy" which aply so much to my case with the israeli ...father.:)Best wishes from me.
I married an israeli jewish guy we are both 34, and I later found out he is gay and he is using me to get his papers. He's an asshole but I love him and we have sex once a week, we fight all the time but he is a great lover. I am so screwed ,,,,,
Yes I married a gorgeous skinny fem looking israeli jew. We are both 34, so sad shortly after I discovered he is gay. Its crazy I began to think its my fault, I love him so much but I kick and scream when I think of him being with a man. We live seperately he is in la and I in oc. I won't go near his friends because I thing they are talking about the stupid american girl that married the gay guy, its so unreal I cook I make love we go out then I go home. We talk 3 times a day he is so smooth talking its sick. I am good looking just so stupid and insecure to get away from this idiot of a man...
them using women to get legal documents, it`s not news to me...the man i have been with told me he is with me for that...but i was also stupid to misinterpret his nice behaviour towards me....so, i guess you`re not the only one ...just divorce him quickly or don`t play his game....you will be more hurt than that.
I am the 34yr old straight girl that married the gay jew. Thank you for the advice, I really want to divorce him but I can't, I am bad with my money, he bought me a car used for 6k, and everytime I run out of money I am stuck,
hi again...well, i understand your situation...but i hope you know that after he reaches his goal(for business purpose-working or not working), etc. he is going to divorce you for sure. this is not a marriage for love, more than that, he is so sick of women (he must have had too much in his life) that he declares himself gay...this is the tragedy with us...that we really believe a man can be changed-it`s a known fact that jews are very proud, and your guy is only looking for fame, money, success, but not next to a woman...whom he sees very vulnerable and easier to use than a man...your mistake was to trust him and to fall in love with him...the sick thing is that he enjoys your torment and goes on giving you hopes...`I AM SO SORRY ...I WAS LIKE YOU A YEAR AGO...AND I GOT A HOLE IN MY HEART THAT I AM TRYING TO FILL EVEN NOW....
34yr old female married gay israeli jew.... this is my 3rd time writing in. Wow it feels good to let my truth out its quite painful. Thank you for the advice about needing to divorce him I completely agree, its just easier said than done. I am in sales so I am paid commission only so its hard to budget so its been easier for me to come to my gay husband and wait till I get paid. We try to make things work but we constantly argue. He can be so nice and sweet one minute then the next second he is a complete jerk. He makes passionate love to me then he tell me he has grown tired of me. He is a piece of work. Uggggg what a stupid woman I am . As soon as I get paid I am leaving him. He wants me to give him all my money so he can help me budget. No way I am not that stupid. I guess I would say I need to act on things and simply move on he really wants me to. But he is weird because he says he loves me and he acts jealous a lot of times. He call me stupid, he is tired of me. I look rich but I am not. When he met me I drove a leased mercades and lots of bills ha ha for him I am no sugar momma. He is going crazy because I make good money but I spend every penny of it on me, he really resents me, so yes I need to grow up, divorce him and run fast....
hi...it`s me with the precious advice again:))) i hope you don`t mind...when he is so hot and then immediately cold it`s because he must be frustrated on "power status" in a relationship...when he says he has grown tired of you...i am sure he regrets that after a while....but he likes to be worshipped as a man...are you sure he`s gay? btw, who told you? him? we should find another means to discuss this...a blog is different thing...
34 yr old female married israeli, ok correction I think my husband is bisexual, I confronted him and he did not disagree with me. He is very girly, about everything, he loves shopping at zara, ikea, costco, h & m. He loves to wear tiny calvin undies in all colors pink, green yellow, white. He hates to eat he is very skinny. I am opposite I love to eat and hate to shop I only go shoppinhg when I can buy in bulk. He can spend all day and buy nothing, he is like a woman. I love to eat drink wine, go out, and I just spend it all quickly, he is all about saving not spending or spending very little. He sees me freaking out so every so often he breaks down and takes me shopping, bty I love mango thanks for the tip liz I love that store I got three gorgeous dresses the other day.... I like writing here. Because its private is it ok with everyone that I write here, crazy love story to be continued....,
hi again. oh...so if he has that strange look of a woman and he is like you sad...bisexual...what on earth attracted you to him? I find it very humiliating to be a powerful(!) woman going out with this kind of a man....how does your past with men looking? ok, i see you need money...but i can also see you are walking through your life blind folded....honestly, do you think you will be really happy like this? i personally wouldn`t accept it. and..oh...you will get tired of this saving...saving it`s ok..but they are saving the savings of the savings....you will pay for that car what it doesn`t worth... but it`s your decision....
34yr old woman married bi israeli guy, great news I am in sales so a big deal came through so now I will start again to be free and put back the pieces of my heart. I plan to stay far away from my husband and return his car and divorce him. I was in a recession and bad mood so it was hard for me to get the courage to sell but I did. And so here I am out in the world free from the my so called israeli life, I can't handle the ups and downs what a mind fuc** no joke. He managed to turn my life upside down in a matter of 3 years. He was like a mean shark that had bitten my leg and dragged me to the bottom of the ocean. Thanks god I broke free of him just in time...
i think you did the best thing for you...even if it still hurts...move on...life is so much more than that. congratulations for your achievements and your comeback! i`m proud of you...keep going with more confidence!:)
hi, all of you comments have been extremely interesting and helpful... I have been seeing an Israeli guy for the past six months, and all of the traits read seem true to my situation as well. We were on and off alot in the beginning, and then we settled in to the phase of 'I Love U' and we have a future together... come to Israel for a holiday with me... blah blah. But something always held me back. One minute I was the love of his life and everything was perfect and the next, I had too many friends, and I go out too much and I should not talk to any guys... etc He was sooo possessive. At that time I thought he was looking out for my best interest, so I listened to him... only went out with him or the girls, stayed at his house so he doesnt feel insecure, and eventually felt absolutely trapped and at the same time when we are going through our 'Off' period, he will not even bother to call me for days, or even bother to find out what Im doing or whom im with....??? Having spent some time with him, I find him to be very selfish, he will not spend his money easily until unless there is something to gain from it, very insecure, acts confident, but is far from it... Is very confused about his emotions and feelings - doesnt know what he wants - may be its a bit of everything! lol I dont know. We have been broken up for two weeks now and counting.... With all of his up and down emotions I dont know weather to love him or hate him... and thats what gets me hooked... its the game.
They play it well, to keep you on tabs, so that they have you to come back to, while they have their fun elswhere. I am not saying all Israeli guys are bad, because I dont know. But this one I know, and its not worth it, I know I can do better, He knows I can do better, he even told me so.... so for all those ladies in the same dilemma as me - My advice is - if you can't leave them then play them - the way they played you... and if you can walk away - then good 4 you.... because trust me you can get alot better and the sex is not that good anyway.... its like the military, they use the same tricks over n over... they are too scared or too 'good' to try something a lil bit risky or adventurous...
Hi there. I posted here and I often come back to read other posts ...the last one kept my attention with the following sentence: "They play it well, to keep you on tabs, so that they have you to come back to, while they have their fun elsewhere"...it hurts sooo much, but it so true in my case as well...I felt like I was the spare wheel for my israeli guy for sooo many times...but I always came back to him. I think that it is my low self esteem, cause if I was stronger he wouldn`t dare approach me. Cowards always try to dominate...and I was lower than a coward...that is my conclusion. My relationship with him opened my eyes and I took a good look in the mirror...this is not who I want to be!
Darling Ladies! You have much to learn about Israeli men. Yes! They are not easy to get married to, especially if you are not jewish. They like to "play the field". They are "bossy", abrupt and can be very rude sometimes. But I learned a long time ago that they are good in the sack and that they are (to me) the finest specimens of masculinity on the planet. It is these "qualities" that draws me to them. I was hurt in the beginning, but now I just use them for sex. I love it, they love it, and we all get along just fine. They won't marry a girl like me, but at least I get to love them before they find a girl their mother approves.
Does the name Baruch sound familiar to any of you ladies?
maybe reading this will help you understand israeli men better:))
http://www.israelpr.com/doingbusiness.html
Toda;) It does help a lot understanding my friend, however, it's important to be open minded as well and he has helped with that. There's so much and so many ways that he has made a difference within me and my life. We only spent 5 days with each other but it's not the number of days. It's what we went through and a friendship that developed afterwards. I miss him now and still feel the slight touch of his finger on my hand and the last time we saw each other in person.
Lila Tov My Friend. Laheatraode. Lots of neshikas;)
Hi people, I have read most of your comments and I must say I am shitting myself right now. I am a South African lady and I met this israeli guy about a month ago. I know this sounds rediculous but he has already bewitched me completely and I am hopelessly in love/lust with him. He seems in some regards to fit the bill of the overconfident, macho man. Also he is rediculously gorgeous, looks like he stepped out of a gay porn magazine, the body of a greek god.
Well, we have been on some dates and he's now in Nigeria working there and we have been talking on skype every other day. He is coming back to SA and we will be doing a trip together. He says things like " I want to marry you, I want you to have my babies, you are my partner for life, i love you" which totally freaks me out, obviously he cant mean it.
Please honestly tell me, is this guy just playing me to come back here for a couple of weeks of fun and sex and then going to ship himself back to tel aviv and never make contact again?
Id rather send him a big old F U before I become the typical blonde sucker who fell for the foreigner with a tan and a smooth tongue...In more than one ragard might I add..okey maybe I have already fallen for it since we have slept together.. yikes!! but at least I can put a stop to it before it goes further.
Hellpppp???
Hi there. I think no one can tell you if he`s playing you or not but yourself. Also, no one can judge the whole israeli mankind based on some " accidents" like the ones that have been portrayed before. This blog gathers all women who met accidents. because they google for it when the accident happened...mentally or physically. You seem like a very intelligent lady, and it seems that your guy fits the pattern of the israeli guys over here. Just think to a clever test and push him to do things for you that are hard to do , get him to make real sacrifices for you, not money-related,since for most of them money is not a problem. If you are looking for real feelings that last, don`t start judging from a mere sexual relationship, it might be great, but it`s wrong and women are too weak to tell the difference, especially women with little life experience. Just be smart. You`ll thank youself later! God help you!
ok, let me tell you all something: israeli men are very proud, since youth until they get old and eventually die. Israeli men who do have the spirit of adventure in their blood choose their wife or " partner for life" AFTER they have been admired and have conquered maaany women. The man with greek god appearance is hardly likely to be in the search of a wife, get it? he didn`t invest in such appearance to close his life next to a single woman, and who is not of a same blood with him, israeli or jewish...they are just testing and lok for admiration with foreign partners. Getting married and have children and get a partner for life is a very serious matter even for them and if they say it it is not a proof they also mean it. They could have a very short memory at some point. So, girl, end it if you don`t want to be heart-broken.
I was living in Israel and I live now in USA.
ALL MEN THE SAME...Israely or American Men are men
Please ...MEN ARE MEN they all want sex and they all like to be bossy, The country don't matter
I couldn't agree more with so many of the women making comments on this page! These men are like the military, they play games and know exactly how to train you to feel guilty and to make you submissive so they keep you where they want you at all times. They are contradictory, they are always right and as soon as they make you feel secure they take it away from you!
My boyfriend is Israeli, straight off the boat. He is definitly the best man I've ever dated. He treats me the way every woman wants to be treated. He puts my needs before his own. He cooks, Israeli food is amazing! He will clean, but I prefer doing the house work, so it's done the way I like it. He buys me flowers every Friday. He is conceded, but who wants a man with no self-confidence?? I am not Jewish or Israeli, I was born and raised in the US, but I am very open minded and I respect his religion. I won't go to the synagogue or pray with him, but I will participate in his holidays, fasting, eating, family events. He has a strong family bond, but so do I. And he is so handsome, and very charming! I had to add my experience with an Israeli/Jewish man, so not everyone who reads this is mis-led. Oh, and why wouldn't any mother want the best for their son????? A lot of times in relationships we point fingers, take a look in the mirror and find out where the real problem is coming from.
Maybe Israeli men don't want you as their girlfriend for you all seem to have trouble spelling in English, which is suppose to be your mother tongue.
No one wants to date a dumb-ass American girl who is all about consumption, can't handle her money properly and spends it all on knick-knacks.
:)) the last post...you're so funny:)) have you dated such dumb ass american girls you're describing? or you just hate americans?:))this blog can be reached internationally, so , as far as I am concerned, my mother tongue is not English. but I have met israelis who cannot spell or write correctly in English.anyway...they are much attractive when they speak their mother tongue:)
Oi vey! I googled about dating an Israeli man and found this blog with all of its fascinating and eye-opening comments! Thank you for the honesty. It's been insightful especially because I am currently interested in meeting Israeli men, but based on what has been said here, I fear that my attraction to them is towards the very things that ultimately make many of these men difficult to be with. I am sorry for those of you who posted here that have suffered emotionally, financially and otherwise. I wish you better things in life and more loving relationships with men who appreciate you. I will heed your warnings and go into this with open eyes! Best, an Israeli-loving New Yorker.
Ok.. Wow! I just had a second date with an Israeli man.. We met online, just wanting to get out of the house no relationship business, but we had a first date at a jazz bistro. We had big time chemistry! I don't have that much faith in men already, but reading this post helps me to check out any red flags. Going on with our first date, although his English wasn't the best, he tried his damnest to communicate with me, which was impressive. We actually had an intellectual conversation that was upbeat and fascinating. When we met he shook my hand by using both of his hands for one of mine. At the end of our outing he did the same. He then asked me out again. So that was Friday, now it's Sunday. We went out for a bite to eat, and even though i live 30 minutes away, he drove in the snow to get to me. We had such wonderful conversations again. We ended the night coming back to my place and he helped me put a floor lamp together and then we watched you tube vids that his friends posted of him. We laughed a lot.. i couldn't stop feeling that electricity. He touched my hand a lot and then gave me the most generous hug! It was such an embrace! I loved it! I've never been hugged that way before. It was strong and tight and he didn't try to kiss me. Finally, i closed my eyes to give him the kiss me signal and it was beautiful! He is the best kisser i've ever had! After our little embrace session we pulled apart. He left leaving me with one more kiss to my cheek. I immediately started googling dating Israeli men and found this blog. I've read a lot of negative, but one difference i noticed so far is that he is not conceited seemingly at least. He is not a hot hot bod guy. He's pretty average with nice built arms, no six pack, but no gut also.. A little shorter than myself when i have on heels. He's never dated an African American female so i am the first. I look forward to keeping folks updated. I'm looking forward to seeing him again..
Goodnight,
Amani
I am married to an Israeli man and it is a emotionally draining life.
I don't think it's bcuz he is from Israel, I think the male species can be jerks.
My husband is always right, Never wants to hear my opinion, Only his opinion matters, he can completely ignore me for months, not talk to me, and act like we have a great relationship.
He always has to be my teacher and teach me things and criticizes me if I don't want to hear it.
But I can never teach him, bcuz I am probably wrong. I am so sick of him! Married more than ten years!
And in his eyes, something is wrong with me-
Hello,
It's Amani and this is my second post. It's been 2 weeks and i must say that I've grown pretty smitten of him. Everyday he called me to check on me and have a nice conversation with me. He likes it when i correct his English. He sends me sentences through email to correct for him. I love it. He asked me to go shopping with him over the weekend. He wanted to buy a tv and few pieces of furniture for his room. He was told about Costco by his Israeli friends, but i advised him of SAM's Club. He took my suggestion and we went. He got a membership which he will rarely use, but because he knew i shop at Sam's he got a premium membership and added me to it. That was so sweet. I didn't even have to ask. He then asked my advice on the TVs. We looked around together and found a great deal on the size he was looking for. He wanted a Wii also, they had one more left. He bought an extra control because he wants me to play the game with him. Very, very thoughtful this guy. After shopping there we went to dinner, where we sat next to instead of across from one another. He rubbed my back often and opened up to me about his family and their views and such. I opened up to him about this blog and the negative things that a lot of women are saying here. He says yes they can be very true. He said his family is not traditional. They don't do the rituals. He was raised to be liberal. He also mentioned that it's true the people in Israel can be insensitive in public, somewhat pushy. Kind of like New York, he said. LOL! We talked about mixed marriages and children in Israel. Everything that he confirmed relieved me. I even asked about his Visa, how important is it for him to become a citizen. He said it's not the most important thing for him. He's working now and plans to move back to Israel to pursue a degree in Physical Therapy. The money he is saving up will afford him the ability to meet that goal. He's opened up to me about some of his insecurities and appreciates when i open up to him. He hugs me and kisses me the same. Consistent so far. I'm looking forward to the making love. He is patient with me. We've talked about this and feel we should communicate as much as possible about our feelings. I think i found a possible best friend in this guy. I have seen a little bit of his masculinity and take charge attitude, but that is such a turn on for me. He's also seen my ability to take charge. He likes that quality about me. I don't know folks. We shall see. Taking it day by day. I will continue to keep everyone posted.
Take care,
Amani
Hello,
It's Amani and this is my second post. It's been 2 weeks and i must say that I've grown pretty smitten of him. Everyday he called me to check on me and we have a nice conversation. He likes it when i correct his English. He sends me sentences through email to correct for him. I love it. He asked me to go shopping with him over the weekend. He wanted to buy a tv and a few pieces of furniture for his room. He was told about Costco by his Israeli friends, but i advised him of SAM's Club. He took my suggestion and we went. He got a membership which he will rarely use, but because he knew i shop at Sam's he got a premium membership and added me to it. That was so sweet. I didn't even have to ask. He then asked my advice on the TVs. We looked around together and found a great deal on the size he was looking for. He wanted a Wii also, they had one more left. He bought an extra control because he wants me to play the game with him. Very, very thoughtful this guy. After shopping we went to dinner, where we sat next to instead of across from one another. He rubbed my back often and opened up to me about his family and their views and such. I opened up to him about this blog and the negative things that a lot of women are saying here. He says yes they can be very true. He said his family is not traditional. They don't do the rituals. He was raised to be liberal. He also mentioned that it's true the people in Israel can be insensitive in public, somewhat pushy. Kind of like New York, he said. LOL! We talked about mixed marriages and children in Israel. Everything that he confirmed relieved me.
Continued....I asked about his Visa, how important is it for him to become a citizen. He said it's not the most important thing for him. He's working now and plans to move back to Israel to pursue a degree in Physical Therapy. The money he is saving up will afford him the ability to meet that goal. He's opened up to me about some of his insecurities and appreciates when i open up to him. He hugs me and kisses me the same. Consistent so far. I'm looking forward to the making love. He is patient with me. We've talked about this and feel we should communicate as much as possible about our feelings. I think i found a possible best friend in this guy. I have seen a little bit of his masculinity and take charge attitude, but that is such a turn on for me. He's also seen my ability to take charge. He likes that quality about me. I don't know folks. We shall see. Taking it day by day. I will continue to keep everyone posted.
Take care,
Amani
Hi,
I'm from Poland (not jewish but I know them).Israeli men (we have some of them here:) are really charming, smart, joking people about themselves - but only for short time. For long distance usually they show their impatient and driveing themselves crazy for no reason. They can't control themselves at all. I know that many of them are using violence against their women and give a very hard time in emotional way. So pity, cuz Israeli men are so impressive for first sight. Even I'm just friend I heard that "women are more stupid than men", "women place is at home", "education for women is wasting the money" etc. Yeah, life with Israeli guy is not such easy thing - it can be nightmare.
Week 3.. He's amazing. I've been so level headed with him. I'm not in love or emotionally over charged with him. I just feel relief. Everytime we are alone together it's like taking a breath of fresh air.
Ok.. so enough with the nice stuff.. not so nice stuff.. We've spent so much time together it's like we've been in a relationship for over a year. Sheesh. I love it, but the downside to this is finding out those behaviors that can be a wee bit annoying. For instance, he hates it when i put my brand new suitcase on his bed to get something out of it. He says the wheels have touched the floor. Oh yeah, don't hop into bed with those socks you've been wearing around the house, even if i did just wear them to go to the kitchen and back. He also doesn't like for me to leave my washcloth hanging in the bathroom, because he might use it to dry his hands. Lastly, so far we were putting an entertainment center together and the instructions said to have the pieces laid out a certain way, but he says no not necessary. I still put them in order and he called me annoying for it. I told him not to call me this. He agreed and apologized. Our first disagreement. Hmm.. Still not all bad i say.. He's still great. I think we have a lot to get to know about one another, but i'm willing to keep it going. By the way, did i mention he's awesome in the sack!
Amani
well, I am Italian and I have lived in Israel... I think you are completely right about Israeli Men, I felt the same there... but they didn't hurt me so much because I'm used to meet this kind of men, Italian guys are really similar to Israeli,same results. The only difference is that Italian guys are not rude, but they hide their true personality in a mask of romanticism and good manners so they play better with our poor girls :)
sorry for my bad english!
Hello, I am an Israeli Jewish man. I can say that we love American gentile women especially blonde and red hair women but they drive us crazy too! First if a woman goes to fast with the men we think she is fast with other men too and has nothing to offer for long term. Also we look for woman we can respect with much to offer. Wife woman is different than play woman. Wrong maybe but that is how many men are. If you are serious and wish to marry a religious Jewish man go to synagogue or join groups with religious men but do not be afraid if they ask you to convert. It is for a beautiful life of jewish traditions and customs. I suspect the post from Anonymous above is pure fiction LOL. Israeli men are not neat, orderly, perfect, super polite like this fantasy version. Maybe a dream for her? We are Mediterranean men, loud, messy, passionate, macho, aggressive, yes but can be great husband if it is the right woman. It takes time to tame us but we respect a woman who makes us work for her affections and does not give too much too soon. She must keep up with us too! Sorry I should not post for all men but I think too many women do not understand Israeli men and are hurt when it does not work. Be careful and remember we are men like other men but more so in good and in bad!
amani I think you are full of shit. Israeli men do not act this way or say things like what you claim. and mostly jewish men date jewish/caucasian women sometimes arab women but not black women. I live in israel and i can tell you that you will almost never see a black woman with a jewish man.
Well,
I'm African American and proud of it, and guess what we are still together.. Sounds like you guys live in a bubble. By the way all of his Israeli friends love African American women. I don't want to look at the race factor, but you all brought it up. My boyfriend and I have been together for almost 4 months now. He tells me he loves me every chance he gets. His sister and I have skyped several times and his mother is wonderful. Have a nice day..
Amani
I would like to also add that, yes his friends are loud and obnoxious. They are wild and like to party. To each their own. My boyfriend is very different from these guys. He likes quiet and he doesn't like the loud talk. His personality is docile, which i like. He was raised in a village so i'm not sure if that contributes to him being so different from the others.
Amani
I guess the Israeli guy I date must be a dud, because he isn't really sexy or macho. He is kind of short. His body is ok. It's not really muscular. I think he is kind of average, but he has good muscle tone.
He has a lot of Egyptian in him, so he kind of looks Arab in many ways. I know he is considered Mizrahi though.
Well, he is getting on my nerves. He is mostly just selfish and he doesn't show me much appreciation. It feels like he ignores me when I am with him. It seems like he has been changing without warning, and I don't know why. He doesn't talk about things. He bottles it all up, which sounds stereotypical. However, I think that is stereotypical of all men.
I kind of don't think it will work out, and that makes me sad but I am not sure why.
Our relationship was never prefect or great. I don't love him. In fact, I'd complain that the sex was never that great and he doesn't have much to work with...
I figured I'd let it all out, maybe it'll give you all a laugh. :)
I am really sorry to hear about some of situations some of you ladies are in.
I am not sure how old this blog is..but I am in a relationship with an Israeli man, and going through some of the same things I have read on here. We are kind of serious..yes I am in love, well WE are in love. Everything was going great..then he went home for a visit (still there). He attended two weddings (cousins) and after wrote me about them and said that it made him think. Of course I then forced it out of him.."Think about what?" And he hit me with it..."I can't seem myself ever marrying you"
Not that I was thinking of marriage already..but who wants to be in a relationship that is going nowhere? That comment hurt. Now I have noticed lots of differences between us..mostly cultural..but others as well. I understand that I am not Israeli...I am not Jewish..but I am a hopeless romantic I guess and believe that if you really love someone those things dont matter.
I kind of gave him an ultimatum, I said .."I am not asking you to tell me that you will marry one day...but I can not be with someone who knows for a fact he never will" ..of course he said he doesnt want to lose me, he loves me..all that..but these next 3 days, while he is on his hike he is suppose to really think about this. And I guess after that..we will know what is going to happen.
My biggest issue with him other than that is similar to what some of you have pointed out..Hot cold, somewhat arrogant, indecisive, in general sometimes it seems like they want to have their cake and eat it too. But, men of many cultures are that way.
Also..I have met other israeli's..they are BRUTALLY HONEST. Sometimes to the point where it is rude..and sometimes that is hard to deal with..but I would rather have brutally honest..that a liar!
Wrapping it up now..I have 3 days to wait and see what will become of my Israeli boyfriend..well what will become of us....
Changing their minds is very usual to them:)) he went to some weddings, he will return another man, he will act like he was in a dream with you and that wedding ceremony brought him to HIS reality:) I am not seeing an optimistic outcome of that, sorry:(
Good luck!
Sigh, wish I had read this before I married an Israeli man. I'm European, not Jewish. We are now separated. Of course, not all men in one country are the same, I can only say what I experienced. He was selfish, self-centered, cheap, mean, controlling, maniulative, indecisive, secretive, shallow, lacked empathy, and lied constantly. And at the same time he would tell me how much he loved me. Very devious, superficially charming and convincing, until the mask slipped. By then it was too late. We are in the process of divorce. Biggest mistake of my life. Some issues were cultural I think, others not - more like a personality disorder. Have been to Israel a number of times, thank god I didn't go to live there with him. Never again.
It has to do with the middle eastern culture. A lot of Israelis came from other middle eastern countries- hence the problem. I am Jewish, married an Israeli and WHOAH! The guy was a yeller. We divorced of course. My American Jewish friend- same problem and is divorcing. The temper of these guys... you think you are dating a middle eastern man and HA you are! Watch it girls!
I just broke up with my Israeli boyfriend of 8 months and I got to say, I was in an emotional rollercoaster! I can relate to most of the women that have posted here. Where should I begin? He could be so charming, until he’d make a negative remark about me, totally out of left field! He would have comments about my intellectual level (I’ve done college and he’s in university) he would put me down because I am not Jewish etc. When I would confront him, he would turn everything around and blame me, he would rarely fess up to his own mistakes. Everyone on this blog is saying that this type of behaviour is an Israeli thing, but my ex grew up in France most of his life! Also he could be the sweetest if I gave into his demands, if I could not he would be emotionally abusive. He would ridicule me or start a fight. I would be happy one day and feel very sad the next. He was very bossy, he wanted to decide what we eat, what we would do that night, how I should wear my hair. It’s just over for a couple of days now and in a way I miss him but on the other hand I am glad I got off of that emotional rollercoaster. Writing my experience down on this blog and sharing it with others that have been through the same helps! If I remember anything else I’ll come and write it down here.
I'm currently chatting with an Israeli man, and he tells me he wants sex then we can date.
Anonymous said... I'm currently chatting with an Israeli man, and he tells me he wants sex then we can date.10:25 PM
This is Me. I'm Nina, and I met him online, and he immediately told me he wanted us to hookup in hotel for sex. He says he's very sexual and his ex-wife left him for a woman. It has been several weeks and we haven't met in-person. There doesn't seem to be any effort from him to arrange meeting for dinner or a date. He says he works a lot, and I have to accept it.
girls, i'm asian. i have 'encountered' 6 israeli guys. i totally understand why we fall for them, they are physically attractive, sexy. i have to say, my experience is they are very good in bed, too. for me, they are sexually desirable. they are known to be funny and they are. if you are a player, they are the best partner. HOWEVER, they are also bad in the way all you have described. honestly, their behaviours ARE really israeli guys' behaviour. not just MEN at large. over self-confi, blunt, i feel like they think their own feelings are the only feelings on earth. in other words, they magnify all the bad things of men. they, are very MAN (yes, i'm such a generous person). even me (i consider myself pretty submissive) i can't take their macho side, too much, they are disgusting sometimes. it's so hard to look that disgusting when they have such a good looking face, so you can imagine their behaviours are really making ppl sick. in fact, if you have been to places where they like to travel to (like south america), you will hear the worst comments on israelis...they have no respect for others, they act like they are the center of the earth...(in fact, some hotels/ hostels reject israelis) and sadly, after my personal encounter with them, most of the comments are true. sadly, they look so yummy with that 'greek god' look. go ahead if you need a toy, they are the best. if you are looking for husband, run away.
This is Amani..
The last time i posted was in March.. I am the African American who had an Israeli boyfriend. Well, it's over. I broke up with him 2 weeks ago. He works for an Air duct cleaning company and his company puts him up in a hotel to work 4 hours away in Kansas City, MO. Well, when he returned I was using his computer and trashing a document that I typed up and no longer needed when lo and behold, in the trash of his computer, was a video he had made of himself. He used his webcam to secretly film himself pay an escort $120 for 30 minutes of sex with her. She had no idea she was being filmed. What was so bad was she looked like a white cow with utters! WTF! At least pay a beautiful white woman. I used my flash drive to get a copy of the video before i confronted him. He lied to me while looking into my eyes. I knew he was not the guy he portrayed himself to be all of this time. We always had passionate sex and as much as he wanted i wanted also. We had great times together even up to him leaving that week, we had bicycle rides in Forest Park and had romantic dinners. Whatever.. I finally told him i saw his video, his jaw dropped to the floor. I was graduating in a week and had finals so i told him to stay away from me. He text me on the day of my graduation, I never responded. I still have the video wondering if I should blast it all over the internet. A woman scorned.. He did admit to hiring an escort while working in Canada.. wow.. I didn't make a big fuss, i just let him know how disappointed I was and that I will miss our friendship. My emotions have been a roller coaster ride. Right now, I'm occupying myself with more schooling.. I'm taking summer classes and ready to begin clinicals in the fall. It would be nice to fall in love with his similar qualities but an open and honest man. I won't care what nation from which he previously moved.
Take care,
Amani
I’m sorry to hear what happened to you Amani! I also thought the Israeli guy I had met, was a nice gentlemen. At least that’s how he portrait himself to be for a half year, after that his mask fell off and his true face appeared! We broke up a couple of weeks back, but yesterday I spoke to him again. Things did not get better, but only got worse. I said to myself “oh yes, this is why we broke up in the first place!” He demanded sex from me and I did not want o sleep with him because it would be my first time and our relationship is not stable enough. He got all aggravated and could not understand me. Did I mention he had an orthodox upbringing? I asked him, how would you like it if your little sister encountered a guy like you? Treating her the way you treat me and demanding sex from her? He answered that me and his sis are two entirely different people and that she dresses modest according to orthodox rules. Right there and then I was shocked. Then he added that I am acting like a b*tch. This was really the final drop! I need a man that respects me and my wishes and treats me nice.
I see that my spelling is not so good! I am not from an English speaking country and it was late when I wrote my previous message, sorry.
Hi Jellybean,
Amani here responding to your post. I hate to hear that your ex treated you so poorly. I've come to the conclusion that a man will continue to do what you allow them to. My ex better not ever contact me again. I've already set my phone to send him straight to voice mail if he ever calls me. He is embarrassed that he was caught. Although he is Jewish he doesn't believe in God. His family doesn't practice. They were really nice. I will miss that, but I'm quickly getting over it. I'm already dating a wonderful guy from S. America. Taking it day by day and loving myself. I hope you love yourself as well.
Take care,
Amani
Nina,
Good luck with the hook up with this guy. If his name is MOR, be careful. The condom broke twice on the video of him having sex with an escort.
Take care,
Amani
Posted on 6/2/11
Oh my god. every last word from all of you is haunting. My deepest sympathy to those that have been exploited in a relationship with a man they trusted. Gross behavior. Especially that bit about the filming of the escort. Why are people so f'ing demented.
Okay, so I accidentally fell in love with and married an Israeli. I figured it was my best option considering I had all kinds of middle eastern and latin men hot on my trail... all of whom are macho and spoiled by mommy. I would never have given my husband two minutes of my time if I had not just been through a radically traumatic loss and transition in my life. Yes Im an American and not Jewish but not your typical California juicy couture wearing hussy either.Im a pretty smart lady with some pretty bad luck. I love my husband dearly but we are separated and the culture clash between us has been awkward but accounted for... it is the communication problems and the lack of straightforwardness that have been the source of all the trouble. Basically he begged me to be with him and knowing what I knew about his history I was suckered in out of compassion. Not to say we dont have amazing chemistry. There are a great many things I do not like about his culture but it is hard to actually determine what is cultural and what is personality for I have dated more than one non- American and visited them in their home countries and have felt my own cultural tendencies work against me in such a way that the good parts of my personality could not shine through, and people have assumed that some of my characteristics are inherent in all americans which they definitely are not (good or bad.)
I met my Israeli man and we got married in a fever... Reason and rationality were not guests at the wedding. I had the feeling that he was not quite honest with me about things but I have dismissed this as a stereotype of middle eastern sales men that I was reflecting on him so I fought with myself to not do that... which has added to the incredibly intense emotional roller coaster he has dragged me onto. we were living happily alone. My american christian mother was coming to meet him for the first time and was going to stay with us when at the last minute he had a friend fly in to take up the guest room when I had begged him to wait a few more days and he ignored my pleas. the guest brought out every single bad quality my husband had but that I did not see and I could not handle it. I left him and struggled to find a place to stay as I live very far from my friends and family. I waited for the guest that was supposed to help him with his business to leave but just as I had worried, the guest actually helped to put him out of business. when he finally left after two months I went back to try to resolve things and our last month together was mostly hell with severe emotional break downs and outbursts from me. (continued below)
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Sometimes I wish he had tried to act the way he did to a typical american woman so that he would understand just how lucky he was to find someone that doesnt expect him to behave like an american nor wishes him to change his culture. I only wish for him to be honest and straightforward. I have suffered through what would ordinarily be classified as emotional abuse here in the states and what would ordinarily be just cause for a man to have his ass beat by big brothers, but I understand that much of it has to do with the Israeli man's need to feel like he is protecting and teaching the woman by being macho and aloof because he actually doesn't know a thing about the way things are and is living on a very superficial level that can not be sustained for very long periods of time. Sad but true. we are separated but not divorced and it makes me truly truly sad. the worst part is that the person that I loved and married disappeared and has left me with a really big emotional mess and the worst disappointment of my life. I am ashamed that I was suckered in by the perpetual victim persona that is part of the culture and why the rest of the world has so little tolerance for israelis and that they have so little tolerance for themselves. it is in fact giant paradox of a country, spoiled and infantile and suckling the teet of the rest of the modern world yet aggressive and overly confident and with that sense of entitlement and unable to adapt to progressive and positive ways of thinking that are the foundation of the modern world. Advancements in Technology can not be considered if they are in regards to warfare.. it cancels out the progressive validity.
I do not say that with anger for I feel much more sadness than anger at my loss and have tried to repair my relationship in any way that I can. I am incredibly disappointed with my husbands lack of compassion which does not seem to be a highly valued characteristic to him and some of the other israeli men that ive met for they sadly see it is a weakness and not as a strength. I did not intend to make this blog just a scorned wife and lover's rant but I do find comfort in knowing that other people have shared their experiences and so I am returning the favor.
What do you do when you miss so much your ex israeli boyfriend? I feel so much pain right now, I am crying.....this is life....there isn't any recipe for not going through that, athough people might tell you loads of stuff....there isn't any " maybe if", there isn't any man/ woman, israeli or not, without a mistake! but there is so much pity that the other punishes you so much with the refusal to say a word to you ...I am not even talking about showing his face.....that would be too wonderful....this is missing someone you once cared about and doesn't want to leave your heart...
stop playing the " pride -game"...let us not feel like fools ....life is not about losers and winners...we are all losers.
Hello Anonymously missing your boyfriend. I'm sorry to hear that you are crying over him. I too know what that pain feels like. The friendship is what i missed the most about him. I felt like I could be myself. I cried for a couple of weeks, spoke to my friends a lot and never did I once pick up the phone to call him. He never called me again either. Which is what I want by the way. However, you would think with all that we've done together and how much we helped one another that he would want to keep some type of communication with me. His friends still keep in touch with me. I love them. I do feel a little uncomfortable coming around because when he comes by the office after work he avoids me like the plague. I told him that I forgave him a while ago, but I guess he hasn't forgiven himself. Alas, it took 3 weeks of tears too many to get over it. I'm dating a wonderful man who is so happy that I'm done with that relationship. He had been waiting to ask me out for a year! Who knew! I should start a blog named My So-Called Mexican Life- Mexican Men.. LOL..
Good Luck to you.. It will get better.. ;-)
-Amani-
P.S. I also started riding my bicycle and going Salsa dancing to keep me busy.
Wow... girls...
I am an Israeli girl who sees the other side of these guys. This discussion began with a post by a woman living in Israel but quickly turned into a discussion about Israeli men dating foreign women abroad. From your descriptions it sounds like these men are still in some transitional phase, post-army service or post-degree. They are either traveling or working abroad. They don't seem to intend to stay abroad permanently or to leave Israel.
Young men doing their post-army tour of the world are usually not looking for anything other than a good time, adventures and stories about foreign women to bring back to their friends (and I have heard many of these stories from them...).
You shouldn't generalize about Israeli culture and Israeli men, none of this is specific to Israeli men - if you date a man who is temporarily visiting your country and of a different religion, you cannot expect it to be permanent and will only be disappointed if you do. I suppose that life in Israel can be characterized by an abundance of transitional phases and perhaps also a feeling that nothing is permanent - someone here called it the carpe diem mentality. This means that both Israeli men and women find themselves traveling for months on end in the farthest reaches of the world and yes, sometimes falling in love, though rarely in a long-lasting way. Sometimes people fall in love and then realize that it is impossible to continue. With Israelis there are also all the cultural factors you all mentioned, such as religion, type of religious/liberal/traditional upbringing, social norms and conventions, gender roles, the importance of family and especially the mother (and father), family history/ancestry, economic situation, education, army service and more. This goes for cross-cultural relationships everywhere and does not apply only to Israelis. However, perhaps Israelis tend to be more sensitive toward the religious issue.
The point is, Israeli men have their shortcomings, but they are not jerks. Many of the Israeli men I know are intelligent, warm, fun and have a great sense of humor and most importantly - a big heart. However, my friends are neither big travellers nor "alpha male" types. They would never lead a woman on, especially not a foreign woman! However, if you are looking for a Greek god or a sex god, a "perfect man" who is in your country only for a post-army tour or a short stay, don't expect him to be serious about you. The same can be said about "summer romances" everywhere, though - it can still be beautiful even if it is temporary, you just have to understand that it cannot be more.
There is a conception here in Israel about foreign women as "easy". Israeli girls are considered tough - marriage material but too much hard work. So until they are ready for marriage Israeli men sometimes look for fun elsewhere, abroad or with foreign women in Israel. They are very adept at portraying a persona they think foreign women would like - for example, with a non-Jewish European peace activist type they would act one way, and with an American Jewish girl another way, and with a Russian another way... ultimately (in the long run) they will respect you more if you are Jewish and (like most men) if you don't sleep with them straight away..
Bottom line: unless you are willing to try to understand and become part of the bewildering complexity that is Israeli daily life, mindset and culture, and unless you are willing to consider converting to Judaism or even moving to Israel, not to mention sharing your life with a man with army traumas, reserve duty and sometimes a military mentality, think twice before giving your heart to an Israeli man. And even in general, you should think a hundred times before giving your heart away or committing to a long-term romantic relationship!
Much love from Israel
To The Israeli Lady,
I mostly agree with what you have to say and think that your statement was poignant and honest, it does not seem like English is your second language.
The bottom line is that men are men and young men fresh out of the military anywhere are less likely to be seeking commitment. And as far as the ones seeking "fun" elsewhere from home, they are sticking with the age old tradition of "how can I sleep with this woman without having to be responsible for what it does to her" It does not mean that he is chivalrously saving the respect found in marriage for the Jewish girl next door because she is somehow more sacred. No offense but I think that's an "us Vs. them" myth.
Women in western cultured countries are generally not raised with a sensitivity or an instilled coping mechanism for dealing with war traumas in loved ones. It is not an ordinary part of the life (and nor should it have to be for anyone.) In my own experience it has been unbearably challenging and deeply sad, but I believe that such horrible experiences can be overcome through patience and loving kindness... not just thwarted by distractions like sex and money or substances.
The Carpe Diem attitude that you speak of is sort of viewed as a lack of responsibility in most parts of Europe and in the US, ...it doesnt really translate as something beautiful or romantic, but I can see how it would be perfectly acceptable and even necessary in a place that is unfortunately so full of conflict, (but will hopefully not have to be in the near future.)
I have met several Israeli men that were married to non Jewish, non Israeli women and would not have it any other way, but of course they were not devoutly religious or orthodox in any way, they were well traveled wealthy entrepreneurs.
There is an idea... in any town or any country that the town down the road and the country across the sea has "easy" women. It is what we all do to separate "us" from "them"
ironically... if you leave where you are and stay somewhere else long enough... you are likely to become one of "them"!!!!!!
I assure you, evolutionarily speaking, the sexual liberation of women has been anything but "easy" and is something to be thankful for, though I do not intend to imply that sexuality should be used in anyway outside of a loving caring relationship... and within marriage is probably best.
If this blog was just called ... "shitty things my ex-boyfriend did" then it would be too full of content to be coherent. I found it in a search for what life is like for non-Jewish American women living in the middle east and was dismayed by all of the sad experiences I read here.
There is a difference though, I must emphasize, when somebody moves to a foreign country in hopes of changing his or her life rather than just for an experience. Most of us/them have very limited experiences and must stay within our field of employment/company or on our academic visa and just return home with some stories, but then there are those who get very very lucky with an opportunity to follow through with what they set out to do and actually change their lives for the better... which means leaving old ideas behind and growing/evolving.
And just so you know... sometimes we are not given a chance to think twice about where our hearts go... after all, the heart does not think and make strategies... it loves.
O my... ok, i have to leave a comment as well
I met an israeli guy online...*sigh*...I've met many guys online, but of course this one STOOD OUT. It's definately not his looks alone, but his personality is SEXY...I didnt even know a personality could be sexy...dammit
Anyway, I'm from the Caribbean...I guess u could call me mixed black or creole w/e, I'm 20 now, but met him when i was 19. And currently he's 22. For our first conversation we spoke for about 5 hours via webcam....we spoke until the sun came up on his side of the world. I'll never forget that conversation.
As I said we met last year in 2010, it was summer...and now its 2011 and summer, so it's 1 year since i've known him...I'm head over heels about this guy. His personality is so attractive and he has a silver tongue that can weave bullsh*t into silver threads...
He's so ''riskay''...he lives on the edge and I think thats one of the things that make him so appealing...he had about 4 piercings that he had to make heal before he went into the army and he has 2 tattoos, he drinks more than normal and he smokes (i dont like smoking, but when he does it...its kinda sexy)...omg what's wrong with me...?
Everytime i tlk to him i feel so sexy and beautiful...he loves my skin colour and says its like this nice golden brown colour. I CANT STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS GUY! Even if i havent spoken to him for a few months, i think about him EVERY SINGLE DAY. His personality...how he looks (he's dark haired and tall.. perfect), HIS ACCENT omg the 1st time i heard him tlk i almost had a heart attack...it's the sexiest accent and voice i have EVER heard IN MY LIFE.. **sigh**
Apparently, he's rich and says to me that it would be nothing for him to spend US$10 000 inorder to meet me. If I had agreed to meet him, we would have met already...because this guy's dead serious.
I would LOVE to meet this guy who I cant stop thinking about, but there are a few things holding me back.. Like the fact that I am black and he's white...even tho he says he ''dont give a f*ck and i look better than the white women he surrounded with everyday'' . I'm also concerned with his family... u know, about what his parents might say about being with a black, christian girl :-S...but he says his parents wouldnt mind, because they're not that tradtional. ..Even though he has given reassurances, I still feel a little jittery about meeting him... but dont get me wrong I would LOVE to meet him..
Could someone tell me their opinion please...about whether I should meet him or not?
hey pretty lady...
I think its great there is somebody complementing you. My instinct is to want to tell you to see this possible relationship with this guy as being potentially harmful to you but not entirely. Most young men have not yet learned to control their libidos, especially in places where displaying your sexuality is considered a virtue... so at 22 he is probably more driven by the forces between his legs then his heart or his brain. Although it is nice to receive compliments for our outer beauty it is important to focus on what is in our insides and look for people who will also see and honor that. Material wealth is fleeting, meaning that if he has money now, he may not always have money so do not make that your foundation. I do not doubt that he is attracted to you and is viewing you as highly exotic... quite a difference from the women he sees on a daily basis. You will most likely not ever have the chance to meet his parents, though I think it is good that you are concerned about their involvement in your life. If you do decide to meet him, do it on your turf, somewhere you know where you are and feel comfortable and safe.... and likewise, show him kindness and hospitality as a generous host. This will most likely be an exciting sexual relationship but probably not much more. you might learn quite a lot from each other but do not start letting your thoughts drift to babies and marriage unless you are prepared to be a single mom that had an israeli sperm donor. (yes there are women who actually want this) I am only saying that because our optimistic romanticism does not always translate easily into the lives of others who may end up being involved like our families. Once the initial love has worn off there is still life to deal with. We take our mind to this marriage/baby dream place more often as young women and it can set us up for disappointment. I know from experience. Not to say that the heart does not have total authority... it does, and it is important that it does and we should not ignore it. Look closely at what you want from this guy. Is it a good story to tell your girlfriends? A passionate affair? A friendship? Or are you looking for a partner? Do you just want out of your situation and see him as your golden ticket? although Israel is a modern country the inherently ingrained Judaism still has some very traditional values that may be difficult for you to adapt to or accept and his support system may not recognize you as important to him even if you truly are. Just ask yourself, your woman's intuition, the little voice inside, if you think this is an okay situation for you... and you will find the answer. Good luck... I hope he is a wonderful, kind and charming gentleman with good intentions, but do not compromise yourself by falling victim to a "silver tongue".. they really will say anything just to get some, but if that is all you want then there is no problem. Know the name of the game before you play... and of course if you do...Use a condom.
Hey anonymous...
I heard every word u said... But I didnt tell everything there is to tell about what's going on..
I'm a virgin. He's very sexual, so I made sure he knows that I'm waiting for marriage. He says he doesnt mind it, and that he actually likes that. So the relationship we'd have wouldnt be a sexual one...
The fact that he has money doesnt even matter to me...cuz I liked him before he said anything about being rich..
Youre saying he probably wouldnt want me to meet his parents...but he has mentioned about meeting mine and has said something like ''it'll make it more real'' i guess he was tlkng about our ''relationship''...
You mentioned something about me seeing him as a ''golden ticket''...
I'm in medical school. I plan on making my own money pretty soon. It is the fact that I'm a broke college student is one of the reasons why I havent met him as yet...he offers to pay, but i feel uncomfortable with the idea. lol he tried to make me feel better and say when I become a doctor I can pay him back..
But the best piece of advice u gave me was listening to my intuition... I didnt want to really bring this up, but he has asked me marry him...and if he's not asking that he wants me to move to where he is LOL drop everything and come live him (I can tell he's serious...I felt him out) But ofcourse I have obligations to where I am... and I feel uncomfortable for him to spend money on me, I'd just feel like I owe him
Ofcourse sometimes though, when you listen to your intuition whether its a good thing or bad, your mind will go to the bad things and what can happen....but look ho many ppl have met online and get along great right?
You gave really good advice, but now that u know additional details to the story, knowing the relationship wont be a sexual one and etc....do u have anything new to add?...I'd really like to hear what u have to say
hi
Details about the situation do make a difference in this case, as in most everything. Im sure you are learning that in Med school. And congratulations for finding something that you like to do and for following your ambitions. Im sure it is a very demanding and stressful environment that requires a lot of your time and attention. It is your first marriage and sticking to it will be beneficial for you even if you choose not to be a doctor. He sounds like a smart guy for wanting to marry such a lady. I think it is really amazing that you have abstained (thus far) from having sex until marriage. I myself did not, but the older I get the more I see why the elders emphasize that, It keeps sexuality in its more spiritual form, which is where I think it is best suited. If you were raised christian then you have probably seen examples of the Madonna archetype and the whore archetype. Men are often very confused by this and think they they need two different women to fulfill both of these roles. (watch out for that) I do not think Judaic men are any different, especially Israeli men, coming form a place where sexuality and the expression of it is more celebrated and encouraged then in other parts of the world ... (the opposite would be some kind of puritanical American southern baptist environment where if you are seen in a bikini that means you are going to hell LOL).. anyways, They want the pure and devoted wife type and yet they still have the desire to explore all manner of not-so-holy sexual acts with someone they have no social responsibility towards, especially when they are younger. I do believe as women we can find a balance between the two worlds, but learning that takes some time and developing trust (easier said than done). Although you are a modern type of lady and following a career path, (those paths can be rudely interrupted by life and destiny), If you have not been away from home for very long or at all, then it is even more important that your families are involved. I understand about our women's intuition being under minded by negative thoughts. Thats a tricky one. It can be hard to tell if it is our inner voice trying to keep us being observant and cautious or if it is the influential voice of the modern collective conscience that seems to have lost all faith in love.
The money thing is also tricky. Although you want to be a self sufficient individual, financially, the way people deal with their money is directly related to how they balance power with each other. The traditional family set up is that the man is the bread winner and head of household (decision maker) and in some cases, especially with middle eastern men, learning to let the woman contribute can be difficult for them and sort of "rock the cultural boat." Money customs can be very different... the whole "i'll give you this goat for your sister" deal is actually still true in some places. I dated a northen European man and I am a "liberated" American woman that had been self sufficient for a very long time, when he did not pay the whole bill at the cafe I was sort of confused because I thought that men still want to display chivalry with money, but there, the women get angry at the men when they try to pay for everything, so he was actually being respectful.
I have also learned that it is very important to discuss with each other what each thinks that marriage is and what it entails. (see below)
If you do decide to meet him. let him come to you so that you are around your support system. You may actually discover that you find him physiologically repulsive even if he looks physically attractive to you in photos. The chemistry could be all wrong and then you would find yourself in a foreign country with a guy that repulses you trying to get in your pants. The fact that he comes off as "very sexual" and yet knows you are a virgin is somewhat of a red flag, in that he may be viewing you as a kind of "challenge." I do not mean to insult your intelligence by saying any of this, so please do not be offended. (cont)I am not saying dont meet him, but if you have maintained your virginity this long make sure it goes to someone who honors and respects you and that you actually want to spend the rest of your life with. I celebrate inter-faith and inter-racial marriages but much of the world still does not, which can make things extremely challenging. The bottom line really is listen to your heart and your intuition. A woman who had been married many years told me once.... "marry the lifestyle, not the man"...I heard it after I got married. There is logic in that statement, but for me it didnt apply because I am not an economist, I am a romantic and a Lover. All we can really do is share our experiences with each other and hope that it is helpful, though sometimes too much input can be confusing for us. Love can be absolutely terrifying, and we ultimately do not really get to choose who we love. We can however, figure out who we are as individuals and be true to ourselves without disregarding the needs of others. It all boils down to the fact that you are a woman, a natural giver of life, and the ball is in your court. You set the tone of what you are and are not willing to accept in your life from this guy. If he is pressuring you then recognize that as the voice of desire and not the voice of love. Love will urge but it will not pressure. I also Highly recommend that you finish school before starting a relationship with him as it will probably be very distracting and you will be tempted not to finish. Most of all, know in your heart that true love will find you as long as you believe in it. I hope this is helpful. Good luck. And good luck with school.
Hi Arimatt1,
I'm sorry to say but a guy that loves to drink has piercings, tat's and on top of that is very sexual, does not seem to me like serious boyfriend material!
Also you mentioned that he's rich, but you should remember that you met him through the internet and what he says could be just as you had put it "him weaving bullsh*t into silver threads..."
I hope he's honest to you, just be carefull okay?! Good luck!!
cant believe all this...
im reading the story of each of one here and im like YEA!!!! HELL YEA!!! its amazing they are all the same..
my story is just like everyone here i met an israely guy in Texas he was working at the mall he was so charming, make me laugh, smart a total cutie.. i wasnt ready for a relationship in that moment but he told me we can have an open relationship so we did but later in time he start asking more and more from me and after a few weeks we get very close but he was hot and cold all the time then after a 2 months he move with me and i fall in love with him like crazy like i never did before he make me feel happy all the time even with all his shit i love him and i give to him everything i had then his visa finish he went back to Israel with so much promises like we gonna be together...your my everything... you are the most important person in my life and i believe every word he said to me... so 1 month later i went to isarel for 10 days and i have the best time of my life we also had a big fight cuz i told him I think im pregnant lol start as a joke but his reaction make me so mad that we start a big fight any way i came back to US we keep our long distant relationship so in love i went back to israel we fight all the time he was so jealous of everything didnt go well but at the end i left israel in peace with him and i start travelling around europe we talk and send messages we make 6 months together he told me he loves me then jus a week after he send me a message that he love me and want to see me so much i call him and he told me WE ARE DONE!!..jus like that i ask why he told me im not sure if a love you anymore so we are done and i want you to move on and let me go wow big time for me i cry the next 2 weeks begging him why he didnt answer my calls or message me back i came to israel one more time and i send him a message telling him we need to talk if he dont answer i will go to nahariya... his home town.. and nock door by door until i found him he freaks out and he asnwer me and we set a date to met... i went to the date i told him he hurt me he lie to me i trusted him he told me sorry but i dont regret what i did cuz i did it because i want you to move on i dont want you to love me anymore because we cannot be together he said...IM NOT MOVING TO USA EVER AND YOU DONT GONA MOVE TO ISRAEL...so sorry if i hurt you but you need to move on... he totally breaks my heart and i still love him but yeah he was very complicated.. some part of me want to wait for him...but reading all this make me thing its a lost cause
Anyone dated a Catholic Israeli guy?? I did for half a year and it was a disaster. I am still in love with him 8 months on but he has moved on with someone twice my size and half as good looking-it has got me beat.
I'm not sure how old this blog is, so I may be way off here...
I met a catholic israeli man online, and he seems great so far. Amani, you mentioned forest park...that's where he's from. I hope it's just a coincidence.
I had a fight with my Israeli ex a month ago,because I found out through Facebook that he's in a relationship with another girl. He's modern orthodox and she is too. I heard he's been seeing her since this summer but he wouldnt admit it!! I am so stupid, even though he is with her, I kept talking to him.
We were on Skype a month ago and he made mean comments towards me, out of the blue! (He is used to putting me down) I told him,he's not all that and he can block and delete me from Skype and Facebook and that I never want to talk to him again!! We haven't spoken since.. Now I found out that he's engaged with this girl! I was sad for weeks and I am still a bit in pain. I mean.. First you flirt with me,promess me things, make plans with me and then a week after we stop talking YOU ARE ENGAGED???!
I married an Israeli guy and have been with him for 3.5 years ... I just left living with him in Israel. To end our marriage, he came up with the idea that we relocate back to the U.S., but that I will go first ... after being in the US for two weeks, he sends me an email saying he's "gotta let me go for now" ... the same personality traits others list here I also experienced ... he seemed super confident, arrogant, but also very insecure ... unfair double standards ... macho ... here and there, back and forth ... my overall opinion is that they treat their Israeli wives and girlsfriends respectfully ... but not American women ... especially if you're not Jewish ... if you are not, they will never take you seriously (with few exceptions) ... and even if they do, like my husband, their family will not. Our marriage didn't work because his mother was always whispering in his ear about how wrong our union was (I'm not Jewish, but wanted to convert) ... she told him that he'll have bad luck staying with me ... so, any time anything didn't go right, she'd tell him it's because he committed a great sin by being with me ... as he became more religious, he started seeing it this way too ... but he didn't have the courage or decency to end it face-to-face. No more Israeli's for me! No thank you!
So sorry to hear that it did not work out for you. I have dated many American women but still looking for the right one. I am not interested in a Jewish girl myself. Beautiful red hair, blonde hair, fair skin is my preference with a sweet disposition and intelligent and grace. So far there have been many that were close but not the perfect one that makes my heart jump every time. I am sensitive to all the stories here and hope I am an example of the good Jewish guy who does not use american women to throw them away. Good luck to all the women here and remember there are nice jewish men too!
most Jewish men are assholes, they are known all over the world for this. and so many jewish men are gay now, there's even more deception there too, holding a relationship and/or marriage while cheating with other women and men on the side. any woman who gets with a jewish man is being used since most jews only know two things, money and sex.
I have an Israeli man who adores me and wants to marry me but after all these comments I'm not sure if I can trust him now. We met through friends and I was not Jewish but he convinced me to convert so that we could be married. I am in the process of conversion now and he is still pursuing me with promises and love. He's even given me an engagement ring and introduced me to his family who was receptive but not exactly warm. They didn't say anything negative but I can feel the strange vibes like they don't exactly approve. Maybe just an in-law thing, they didn't exactly welcome me. Anyway he's been wonderful so far and stays by my side and loves me all the time. We are very closes and he wants to set the date for our wedding but I am starting to get cold feet. I've heard and read too many stories about Israeli men and I keep thinking that it won't work out in the long run or that it can't last. I have no reason to believe this based on anything except my gut feeling. Am I being paranoid? My conversion is almost complete and after that I won't' have any more excuses to put off the wedding. By the way, he has family here and he has money so he doesn't need me for a green card or anything. Just wondering if I should go ahead as planned and take my chances or get out before something goes wrong. Very confused.
Cindy
Beautiful Anonymous, You sit be quite special that this Jewish man is chasing you so (envious). My advise is to go with your instincts. If it feels right, go for it, if not, don't. Jewish men can be quite persuasive when pursuing what they want but you need to make sure that you are prepared for the future and not just thinking about the present excitement. If you have enough in common and you think that your emotional bond is strong enough to endure life's obstacles, it's probably the right thing to do. But make sure that little voice inside is saying okay before you take the final step. Best of luck to you. I hope things work out for you either way.
Cindy, get out while you can. Almost a third of Israeli men are gay now and many more are living the gay lifestyle WHILE THEY ARE MARRIED! It's tragic especially for the wife and kids who can only endure the situation or be on their own in poverty. Israeli men seem to think only about sex and live for that more than anything. Israel is rife with brothels and prostitutes everywhere and Tel Aviv has become the most gay friendly city in the world. I am an Israeli woman and I can tell you honestly our men are not worth the trouble. They hunt for foreign women to marry because they know Israeli women know them too well and will not put up with their nonsense.
Israeli men are horrid. I dated two of them and thought I had seen it all befor these two bozos showed up. One of them was leading a double life, doing the gay and straight scene at the same time,he was actually seeing me and another man at the same time! As soon as I found out, pictures, I dumped him promptly. The second guy was married to some woman in South America but parading himself as a single orthodox Jew! He actually wanted me to convert and set a date for our marriage, all the while he was still married! His religion obviously never taught him about being faithful or honest or that bigamy is against the law. I found out about his marriage when his wife in South America sent me a letter. She had been trying to find him and the court was after him for abandonment of his wife and 3 kids. She even presented me with the court papers. Kids yet!!! Ugh! When I confronted him he actually tried to lie out of it by telling me his marriage wasn't considered legal in America. Didn't even mention that he had 3 kids with her. The part that really got me was that he was studying to be a Rabbi while all of this was going on. He tried to talk about me about divorce, but by that point there was no way I could ever trust a liar like him. Besides I was well off, had my own home and money so who needed a creep like him? Well I ended up finally booting him out of my life about a month later with a few choice words. Never again is my motto now, never again with an Israeli man!
I just had to comment on this, im very sad to hear so many girls had such a bad experience with an Israeli guy.
I know a lot of them and most guys i know are really great guys.They study hard, they are never lazy,they clean the house like maniacs ,can cook!and they are veryy masculine and say what they think, which i really appreciate.I'm European Jewish girl and ive been dating an Israeli guy for 9months now and he is the best guy i ever had.Yes they can be very confident(people can see it as arrogant) but they know what they want and how to get it.If you have s strong caracter and quick mind you can deal with this type of men.
I've also dated a Greek and i think they are way worse than Israeli.
I see Israeli men as strong,intelligent ,spiritual beautiful children of god(which they are)
But seriously i also know some guys that are just no good but generalisation is never good.
In my honest opinion, Israeli's are great family men,they want marriage and children from a young age,they like to party but they also work hard and know how to handle money.(what others can see as cheap)My bf always pay for me when we are going out and takes me on trips and to his family.
They can be very jealous though,but ofcourse if you flirt other men its not a crazy thing..
So short said: There are Good Israelis out there!
And if you want a cold hearted man you shouldnt date them,no.
i never met an israeli man i liked. every one of them was so arrogant and full of himself i had to laugh like who do they think they are. and it's only about sex, thats why there are so many brothels and gay parades there. i know 3 girls who live in israel, who ended up pregnant and never married because the guys got all of them pregnant with promises of marriage but then never married them to avoid the financial responsibility. their money is like god to them. that is common there. have fun with women but don't give them anything. plus the gay thing is a real problem too. i lived in israel for 5 years and i can tell you the israeli men are really screwed up in so many ways and they will screw up the women who go with them. so glad i did not even consider it and waited until i got back home and found myself a very good american christian man, like day and night. by the way greek men are a lot like israeli men, the whole macho mediterranean crap thing which means women are second class but israel men are even worse because they think they are better than everyone else in the world. i mean what did israel do that other countries didn't do better? arrogant for nothing.
by the way mimi israeli men are not warm, just horny. they say anything and do anything to get a woman into bed and after that they begin to lie, to cheat and are stingy and when they are done with you they become like the coldest man alive. i saw this many times over with girlfriends and people i knew in israel. they also fight a lot, like really bad fights and expect the women to forgive them no matter what they do or say. such a double standard there it was disgusting. maybe you have a nice israeli man, maybe you just say that to defend jewish men because you are jewish but i can tell you from having lived in many countries and having many men friends from around the world, the israeli men are the worst.
You are spot on!! Exactly what I've been through, charming for sex, promesses of marriage and then they leave you and are cold afterwards! O yes and the fights!!So true!
any woman who gets involved with a jewish man is a fool. they only use you if you are not jewish because they are racist and think they are superior to you and you are goyim to be used per their racist torah. they can try to convert you but if you don't you are never excepted by them or their family. and even if you are a jewish woman they will still lie to you and cheat on you because they think its okay to treat women like second class citizen and do as they please. witness that tel aviv is "gay-friendly" city of the world where men have sex with both the wife and a boyfriend as they please or prostitutes (could be both men and women). even the very religious cheat that's why there are so many brothels. the wife is expected to accept it or the man will divorce her no matter how bad he is and abandon her and the children. no matter how much they claim they love you, you will always be less important to them than their sex and money. and a wife to them is only for babies and cleaning. even if you are educated and independent woman you are expected to take a second place to them and accept their behavior. people still get stoned there, that is how advanced israeli men are!
Most Jewish men are not "spiritual" most are atheist and often times gay or bi. In fact, at least one third of Jewish men are gay and most are atheist or practice some very watered down version of a religion which does not conflict with homosexuality. It is very prominent in their character and culture to disregard true spirituality and any form of monogamy or traditional marriage. Especially the younger Jewish men. Remember that all of the gay and atheist organizations were started by Jews. I am at a loss as to why any woman would ignore these things and believe that some Jewish man who shows up in her life is sincere and will fulfill their promises of marriage and commitment. Only a desperate woman with low self-esteem will believe that.
I had a girlfriend who became involved with an expat from Israel. My girlfriend is well educated and beautiful with a very good job so she didn't want for attention or money.
They met through some Jewish friends at a party after which he pursued her relentlessly. He was very charming at first, sending flowers, being very thoughtful and romantic and so polite and he was also good-looking so I could see why she was quite taken with him. He was the perfect gentleman to all of us.
But after about a month of dating, it all started to fall apart. He began telling small lies which gradually led to full-blown lying and then he started cheating on her. She called him on his actions and tried to end the relationship when she found out he was seeing another woman. He reacted by hanging on even more all the while he was continuing to lie and cheat. He seemed to be determined to not let go of her as if he expected her to just endure his behavior and not take it personally.
Then all of a sudden he did an about face and became really cold and mean and indifferent even putting her down in front of me and her family and treating her basically like garbage. All the while he was behaving like this he was demanding a commitment from her as if he expected her to simply overlook his behavior no matter how abhorrent it was. She finally ended the relationship after about 3 months after which he disappeared.
The last we heard he had been deported back to Israel for grand theft (he stole money from a boyfriend, egads) and for raping the daughter of a friend of his family.
I have to say I was aghast at what a disgusting example of "manhood" he was. NO thanks.
Susan
I posted Mor Galili on Cheaterville.com. I hope this helps other females who may meet my ex online and give them a chance to see his face. It will take 48 hours to post from today. It is April 6, 2012. When the video selection becomes available i will post his sickening video.
As far as update with my current boyfriend, 10 months and going strong.
Take care,
Amani
I posted Mor Galili on Cheaterville.com. I hope this helps other females who may meet my ex online and give them a chance to see his face. It will take 48 hours to post from today. It is April 6, 2012. When the video selection becomes available i will post his sickening video.
As far as update with my current boyfriend, 10 months and going strong.
Take care,
Amani
Araimattd1 you are a racist bitch. To say that you are better than white women, I am israeli man and love white women! I no want a black woman, why you black women fantasize so much about what you cannot have and degrade the other womens? If I am in another country and even in Israel I look for white women above all not black women who is too fake and mostly liar like you and lazy. No rich handsome jewish man want you, go back to your sleep. Always black women post nonsense and hate.
Asaf
amani that is really pathetic that you are posting his picture like that on the internet. this man was not your husband or the father of your child or even in a supposed serious relationship and maybe he was just after some sex and fun??? so if a single guy dates around hes cheating??? seems really mean to me like you want to get even. you should move on if you have a nice boyfriend now i mean your boyfriend knows what you are doing???
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I'm a little bit concerned after all the stories I've read from several people around the globe (both females and males)so... I also need an opinion.
Well, here it comes my story. Met in Ecuador, hang out like friends for a couple of days. We exchanged facebooks before I left ( and really, I did not think I will see him again neither I was crazy in love with him) He was on a road trip thru S.America( of course) and his next stop was Argentina. Mine Lima, so...Goodbye and nice to meet you.
2 days later he contact saying he will be in Lima (?) for 3 days and wants to hang out. I'm a girl that has learnt to don't OVER THINK things since life has its own ways no matter what we"think"and decided to meet him since I was also traveling alone.
Well..funnest days ever. Of course our last night before I headed Machu Pichu there were kisses, bla bla bla... and also the opportunity to "go to his room" offered by him. Voila! And I will not relate this fact to Israeli men since, really ALL MEN will try something like that specially during a long road trip.
Haha! My friend! You are cute and fun, but....THNAKS no thanks! So that was it. Well, its been over a year and we still in contact. Not everyday, but yes every other week. I'm not a romantic/girly girl I must say, so I dont make it really easy for guys no matter what( and honestly after dealing with so many assholes you learnt how to keep your guard up. REALLY UP) But it seems this guys likes that?
We exchange music, talk about life, joke around..always in short not dramatic, no more that 4 lines simple messages. But here and there a I miss you, mi amor and capara (excuse my last word spelling not a hebrew expert :))
And I'm just wondering now what the heck? There has been here and there messages of we should meet...but none of us really put it set on stone(pardon my english again hihi) Obviously Im attracted to him, but now Im not sure I should even keep in contact with him, Im not sure we should meet and I think this may just be...well another game.
Note that during having a conversation in Ecuador (I live in NY but Im not American) he asked me how I was staying here, if I had green card or I was a citizen( Duh, I know Most israelis guys want to be here and will do a lot to come here) so I said no (Im a citizen hihi) and also added I had no intention on becoming American since I wanted to come back to my country of origin.
So Whats up with this guy? Could he actually be an exemption?
PS He has never asked me to come meet in Israel but instead to meet somewhere were is easy for both and I've never seen the Macho,etc etc bad stuff I've read. But yes he is cute, and yes I know, he knows, the world knows!! haha he is yummy like an ice cream :)
Thank u for ur help, and forgive my bad english! :)
Wow... just wow.
I was born and raised in Los Angeles. I am not Jewish. But I met a guy a few weeks ago and sparks flew. I first went online for advice in dating men of this culture to make sure I don't say something offensive. And then I learn that these guys say what they mean, even if it is about your weight or how you look.
I realize eventually that these sparks may fade. That will be the time to get out. I just hope that I rememeber..
Anonymous you are being duped if you think this guy is waiting for you, he is seeing other women and will fit you in if you go out of your way to see him. He is not serious just so you know or he would have come to you by now. Just playing around is all he is doing. Don't be fool and fall for that. You will regret it.
You women so stupid. Who wants woman who complain because men want to be men?? We want women who shut up and do what they are told. Be wife, mother, cook, clean, work, but man is boss. You will never be equal only in your mind. Deal with it!
This is the coolest post I saw on this blog!:))) men want to be men! you're so right!!! nowadays women want to be men too, and their husbands to be women....how sick is that? I believe the relationship men-women should be how our grand grand fathers used to lead their marriage, because they knew their responsabilities and they were happy about it, there was no competition or stupid pride in a couple, who's who, who gets what, like the maniac relationship we have nowadays!!! all the "respect women more" is such a stupid thing to say....women must FIRST respect themselves and try to be good wives, not good ...lovers. This is it!
So any man even if he is a crook, liar, bigamist, etc. is qualified to be the boss in the marriage? lol. Women simply want to be respected and treated with consideration and not taken for granted since they often carry half or more of the burden in marriage and even in relationships. And it seems most of the guys in the above stories are deadbeats or worse, not worthy of any respect at all and certainly not marriage material. So this is a lesson for women, don't have sex with an Israeli man before marriage and you may earn his love and respect. Of course he'll be having sex with multiple partners and doing as he pleases while you are faithfully holding out trying to earn HIS respect and love. Guys like you give men a bad name.
and have you ever thought of traumas, they might carry? all sorts, disfunctional starting from wars and memory of holocaust, daily dangers and disfunctional families, and all the disorders related to it? borderline, bipolar, posttraumatic stress syndrome? internet is full of information on tghat, google it and i believe you get most of your answers.
Yes,
to add to the comments about Israeli guys, I was involved twice in a relationsihp, they are realy crazy, manipulative, very materialistic, if they came here in the States they are looking only for 3 things, a rich woman with money, sex, and marriage so they can stay here,
after they get all of this, they dispose you as trash (even if you are Jewish) I don't know any other culture that act like that.
in other words Israeli mens are garbage.
The reason Israeli men and Jewish men in general have such issues is because they have never moved beyond their past (most of it self-induced). Their religion and culture teaches them to never forget or forgive their enemies, to hate everyone but themselves and to consider themselves better than everyone else. That makes them paranoid, greedy, highly manipulative, angry, hysterically over-reactionary (biggest prozac users), envious and petty. Yes they envy those who do better than themselves and seek out to ruin them. Just watch how the jewish media manipulates stories to make jews look like saints and heroes when in fact they are cowards and plagiarizers. Pathetic is what they are, especially for a lot whose only contribution to the world is the technology to blow up their enemies nd who wouldn't even have a country if it were not for all the open-handed Christians in America and Europe. Every other culture, country has contributed more to the world than jews yet they continue to puff themselves up with fake accolades and awards, their own choseness and perceived mental superiority. Tests have proven that northern european males as well as other cultures continue to test higher in education and in technology. Truly pathetic evil bunch whom even God apparently doesn't like considering all the tragedies in their history. They all need to be de-programmed out of their"jewishness" and taught how to be human beings.
I've recently recovered from falling in utter lust with the most handsome man I've ever laid eyes on.... he turned out to be Israeli and that's how I've ended up on this website. I'm so glad I've read your opinions as it's made me realise I'm not alone. I was wooed and charmed and those eyes - my god, those eyes had me! We never 'did the deed' and I've since been ignored and treated terribly i.e. not answering my attempts at contact which really really hurts. So thank you for giving me the strength from your experience to forget this asshole!!!
The lust is what gets all the women, so please think, think, think BEFORE YOU GIVE YOURSELF TO HIM know that you will be treated like dirt after and discarded no matter what he says! If you are okay with this then go for it, but any self-respecting woman, knowing all of this, will not. Please ladies be kind to yourselves and stop sleeping with these useless, selfish and psychotic men!
wow, lots of bitter people here, maybe women should not be so easy and maybe not so hungry for money. no man owes you anything. if you don't like what israeli men do, move on, no one force you to sleep with them. stupid.
so if a man lies that's acceptable? maybe you guys should stop lying so much and abusing women who are interested in something decent. how about that? scumbag.
I am an Israeli men and I don't like the fact that you are making us look so bad, we all humans and non of us is perfect.
LOL like you guys even TRY to be perfect???? I think you did the best job of making yourselves look bad. Try changing your behavior and maybe the conversation will change. Idiot.
jews/israelis same thing, slimy cheap obnoxious mean bastards no ethics to speak of, people need to be more aware of this. the holocaust propaganda has shielded them from all accountability and they now think they can do as they please. rude awakening for these idiots. least religious people too and it shows. not god's chosen at all like they claim, more like a curse on the world.
please read the other comments and you will understand. he is looking for sex, nothing more like most jewish men. The real kicker is that once you give him that, it will get even worse. he will treat you like dirt and discard you like yesterdays newspaper. it is a no win situation for any woman.
here's an idea... americans and israelis have both similarities and differences. yes israeli men are more aggressive and direct, but so are some american men. it comes down to preference, but no value (better/worse) should be attached. there's nothing anyone can say here to "prove" that israeli men are better or worse than american men. end of story.
please spare me, american men make the best husbands in the world, it's why so many foreign women want to get their hands on one. israeli men make the worst husbands if they even marry the mother of their children is anybody's guess, biggest cheaters, biggest liars, shit for husbands. the record speaks for itself. highest birthrate out of wedlock and least likely to marry and highest gay population and infidelity rates. the facts speak for themselves.
Some Israeli men are good guys, really.
I am an israeli girl who grew up outside israel, and the israel who live and have families and were raised overseas, are not as is portrayed.
But, and a big but, israeli youngsters, both men and women who are on visas in foreign countries, are only our the money, freedom, fun, excitement and entertainment. But this is similiar to all young foreigners, travelling abroad on visa, working odd jobs. They are not going to commit, they are there to freeload, to entertain themselves, and have fun.
They are not going to commit, as it is not there style.
If you as a female or male who has money and is enticed by these youngsters, they will adore you, but when they have enough and the switch flips or you stand your ground, then you are no longer suitable.
There aggressive nature is there manners, they will not respect you unless they get what they want.
But decent israeli do exist, but not ther hot, model, sexy, big talker type. Look for genuine guys who live in your country, full time.
They all "have" money, that's why they run away from the life they live in israel. They are taught that if they wana succeed they must know how to smooth talk, pierce you with there personality, good looks and sexiness- but its all fake.
Israeli are warm and big hearted, but not in tha manner of these israeli stated here. I am proud to say I'm israeli, and israelis are not all bad, only the ones looking for a quick buck.
Sorry it's not just Israeli men. It's the entire Mediterranean region. I'm an American expat and I've lived all over the Mediterranean; Turkish, Israeli, Greek, Italian, Spanish, Moroccan, etc. They all behave like that. Even in the Caucasus region' Georgians, Armenians, Azeris exhibit similar behavior. Your best bet is with Scandinavian men they understand equality and the feminist movement. Mediterranean men are a lost cause. Trust me.
you are right, mediterranean men in general are not nice to women, although israeli men have a certain arrogance that is unsurpassed. cheating, lying, it is the way of life for them. they will charm and woo you and then once they have achieved sex will throw you away like garbage. i have to agree, of all the men i have seen in my travels the scandanavian men seem to be the most civilized with women. some women may not find them as charming or warm, they are more dedicated and sincere and of course, highly intelligent. the charm of the mediterranean men can be captivating but it is deceptive and short lived. ciao
"you are right, mediterranean men in general are not nice to women, although israeli men have a certain arrogance that is unsurpassed. cheating, lying, it is the way of life for them. they will charm and woo you and then once they have achieved sex will throw you away like garbage. i have to agree, of all the men i have seen in my travels the scandanavian men seem to be the most civilized with women. some women may not find them as charming or warm, they are more dedicated and sincere and of course, highly intelligent. the charm of the mediterranean men can be captivating but it is deceptive and short lived. ciao"
so true maria, israeli men are sex-crazed dogs filled with deception and conceit. i experienced that first hand and my motto now is "never again"! they can all go to hell as far as i'm concerned and take their country with them!
Thank you for your words of wisdom.
so glad I found this forum. my heart is still broken in two pieces after the nightmare i experienced with this one israeli man. he was very charming like others mentioned, the perfect gentleman, showering me with gifts, attention, and promises for two months. a friend of mine who worked with him for about 6 months introduced us. she thought he was just a nice guy for me to meet. I never had sex with this guy as i said i wanted to wait. well after two months he bought me a beautiful ring and proposed, the happiest day of my life so i thought. the very next day, i get a phone call from a woman who claimed she was his wife with 4 kids by him. she said he had abandoned her in israel and she found out he was my area. how this woman got hold of my number is still a mystery to me because it's unlisted. i confronted him about what the woman said and he denied all of it. i decided to have him checked out as i wanted to make sure myself and it turned out he really was married with 4 kids. he had been married for 10 years when he suddenly split and disappeared. from what the detective told me this guy had abandoned his wife in israel 2 years earlier and they had been searching for him since. his wife found him through his job, he used a name similar to his real name and i guess she was smart enough to figure out it was him. anyway she was now in the states with family to find him. she demanded I testify against him or else she would try to implicate me as a co-conspirator in his scheme. wow, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place! I tried to help her meet with him and it was all set when he suddenly called me up and cancelled and then disappeared completely. his wife doesn't know where he is and no one had seem him. He had even left his belongings behind at his apartment. that got me off the hook but for 3 months it was pure hell for me. like others here have said, never again. worst experience of my life!
You are totally right! I've dated two different Israeli man and overall I think they are kinda emotionally abusive once u get past their reserved/macho demeanour.looks only go so far when u have a shitty personality. I have a lot of respect for Israeli women: they are superstrong putting up with those men!
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real american men are the best men. but watch out, the minority women love to hunt them down and exploit them to use for support for their relatives and ethnic groups. thanks to jews, all decent people are exploited and all shabby peoples are glorified. so lays the serpent of israel.
I am sorry that most of you had bad experiences with Israeli men. I've lived amoung them in Israel and I do agree that many of them are just after sex but not all of them. And YES, contrary to racists beliefs MANY Israeli men ( inside and outside of Israel) love blacks women and are LOYAL to them.
Woman, I urge you NOT to sleep with ANYONE until you've known them at least a year-or 2! Better yet wait til you marry! Have some respect for yourself and you wont be so quick to get hurt! How can you expect respect if you so quick to open your legs?
And dont be so quick to lose ur self control and dignity because a guy is "gorgeous". Yes, he lied and cheat but its YOUR fault for not using your G-d given gut-warnings. smh
wow, racist AND hateful!! first, the black women here making racist comments that jewish men preferred them to white women, VERY racist remark but you did see that??? then you say that israeli men loyal to black women but not white women???? more racism. next, any men IS responsible for his actions and his words or does G-d excuse israelis from all decency and responsibility of their actions??? this kind of chauvinist, racist attitude of so many israeli men is offensive to me. i'm white jewish israeli born woman and i can say no doubt israeli men are the worse.
i love white woman, for the jewish woman above, as do all of my israeli friends, the posts disputing this i suspect are really black women trolling, they are notorious for this. as to the other posts, yes many israeli men can be a problem, please proceed with caution and filter out what you feel is bad but don't condemn all of us, there are some of us who are not so bad!
Wow, "there are some of us who are not so bad"? How about Israeli men trying to be very good men and not just not bad men?? I'm from Argentina and I can say that the few Israeli men I met here were very opportunistic cheaters and liars, no morals in them. But then your talmud tells you to live by deceit and usury. No wonder Israel is having so much problems, those who use people will suffer in the end themselves.
let's face it most me are shits, period even tho mediterranean men are worse. they have that double standard of living that goes back thousands of years. they haven't changed in all this time and probably won't any time soon. on israeli men, they seem to be a bit worse, an ethnic group gone amuck in my eyes, too many emotional problems and the chosen thing, really makes them arrogant to boot. i personally would never get involved with an israeli man, too much baggage there. cheers! Katarina
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Wow, "there are some of us who are not so bad"? How about Israeli men trying to be very good men and not just not bad men?? I'm from Argentina and I can say that the few Israeli men I met here were very opportunistic cheaters and liars, no morals in them. But then your talmud tells you to live by deceit and usury. No wonder Israel is having so much problems, those who use people will suffer in the end themselves.
Wow, "there are some of us who are not so bad"? How about Israeli men trying to be very good men and not just not bad men?? I'm from Argentina and I can say that the few Israeli men I met here were very opportunistic cheaters and liars, no morals in them. But then your talmud tells you to live by deceit and usury. No wonder Israel is having so much problems, those who use people will suffer in the end themselves.
israeli men do not know what a human being is, i live in israel and see how evil they are, cheating, lying, stealing, raping, harming decent people, telling themselves that they are special, world thinks they are curse. women watch yourselves, these men are predators with evil in their minds, do not open your legs to them, you will regret it. my sister is still recovering from the israeli man who raped her and stole her blind with no help from israeli courts. she is now in europe now to escape the memories.
let's face it most me are shits, period even tho mediterranean men are worse. they have that double standard of living that goes back thousands of years. they haven't changed in all this time and probably won't any time soon. on israeli men, they seem to be a bit worse, an ethnic group gone amuck in my eyes, too many emotional problems and the chosen thing, really makes them arrogant to boot. i personally would never get involved with an israeli man, too much baggage there. cheers! Katarina
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i have heard so many stories like this. very tragic that these men get away with this. where is the outcry of human rights violation for the victims of israeli men???
I agree with yu...my ex was from israel and we had a short relationship. Though short..i really treasure it and still thinks that there is still love in his heart. He stopped contacting me for no apparent reason(tht i know of) and though i tried to make things work, i guess his pride took over the best of him. Though the relationship didnt last..he was my true love. And i know not all israeli men are bad..its just luck i guess. I would not generalize them to be all the same..
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I would advise you to be very careful. If you have money and show it, the jews (both straight and gay) will be all over like locusts so travel in moderate style to be less noticed and keep covered as much as possible. Better is to travel in a group. Israel itself is a nice country because of its history and terrain but the people there now are a real mixed bag. Ironically the nicest people I met there were immigrants from other Middle East countries. They seemed to have more manners. Good luck to you!
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let's face it most me are shits, period even tho mediterranean men are worse. they have that double standard of living that goes back thousands of years. they haven't changed in all this time and probably won't any time soon. on israeli men, they seem to be a bit worse, an ethnic group gone amuck in my eyes, too many emotional problems and the chosen thing, really makes them arrogant to boot. i personally would never get involved with an israeli man, too much baggage there. cheers! Katarina
so true!! i live here and no way do i want a man from israel!!
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Naomi said...
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Anyway, elise verano said...
"Im gping to travel to tel aviv by myself soon.please advise..is it safe to be a single female traveler there?"
I would advise you to be very careful. If you have money and show it, the jews (both straight and gay) will be all over like locusts so travel in moderate style to be less noticed and keep covered as much as possible. Better is to travel in a group. Israel itself is a nice country because of its history and terrain but the people there now are a real mixed bag. Ironically the nicest people I met there were immigrants from other Middle East countries. They seemed to have more manners. Good luck to you!
i agree, those jews can be very deceitful and dangerous scoundrels. notice all the spam now appearing on this page, typical tactics by those snakes. keep posting stories so the world can see how evil these people are.
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so glad I found this forum. my heart is still broken in two pieces after the nightmare i experienced with this one israeli man. he was very charming like others mentioned, the perfect gentleman, showering me with gifts, attention, and promises for two months. a friend of mine who worked with him for about 6 months introduced us. she thought he was just a nice guy for me to meet. I never had sex with this guy as i said i wanted to wait. well after two months he bought me a beautiful ring and proposed, the happiest day of my life so i thought. the very next day, i get a phone call from a woman who claimed she was his wife with 4 kids by him. she said he had abandoned her in israel and she found out he was my area. how this woman got hold of my number is still a mystery to me because it's unlisted. i confronted him about what the woman said and he denied all of it. i decided to have him checked out as i wanted to make sure myself and it turned out he really was married with 4 kids. he had been married for 10 years when he suddenly split and disappeared. from what the detective told me this guy had abandoned his wife in israel 2 years earlier and they had been searching for him since. his wife found him through his job, he used a name similar to his real name and i guess she was smart enough to figure out it was him. anyway she was now in the states with family to find him. she demanded I testify against him or else she would try to implicate me as a co-conspirator in his scheme. wow, talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place! I tried to help her meet with him and it was all set when he suddenly called me up and cancelled and then disappeared completely. his wife doesn't know where he is and no one had seem him. He had even left his belongings behind at his apartment. that got me off the hook but for 3 months it was pure hell for me. like others here have said, never again. worst experience of my life!
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Most Jewish men are not "spiritual" most are atheist and often times gay or bi. In fact, at least one third of Jewish men are gay and most are atheist or practice some very watered down version of a religion which does not conflict with homosexuality. It is very prominent in their character and culture to disregard true spirituality and any form of monogamy or traditional marriage. Especially the younger Jewish men. Remember that all of the gay and atheist organizations were started by Jews. I am at a loss as to why any woman would ignore these things and believe that some Jewish man who shows up in her life is sincere and will fulfill their promises of marriage and commitment. Only a desperate woman with low self-esteem will believe that.
Maria said...
you are right, mediterranean men in general are not nice to women, although israeli men have a certain arrogance that is unsurpassed. cheating, lying, it is the way of life for them. they will charm and woo you and then once they have achieved sex will throw you away like garbage. i have to agree, of all the men i have seen in my travels the scandanavian men seem to be the most civilized with women. some women may not find them as charming or warm, they are more dedicated and sincere and of course, highly intelligent. the charm of the mediterranean men can be captivating but it is deceptive and short lived. ciao
Jellybean said...
I had a fight with my Israeli ex a month ago,because I found out through Facebook that he's in a relationship with another girl. He's modern orthodox and she is too. I heard he's been seeing her since this summer but he wouldnt admit it!! I am so stupid, even though he is with her, I kept talking to him.
We were on Skype a month ago and he made mean comments towards me, out of the blue! (He is used to putting me down) I told him,he's not all that and he can block and delete me from Skype and Facebook and that I never want to talk to him again!! We haven't spoken since.. Now I found out that he's engaged with this girl! I was sad for weeks and I am still a bit in pain. I mean.. First you flirt with me,promess me things, make plans with me and then a week after we stop talking YOU ARE ENGAGED???!
amit said...
You're right, Israeli men are assholes in every way. Acting too macho, too stuck and plain run of the mill assholes. I live in Israel born in Israel lived 85% of my life in NY and hate israel and the fucking people here. that's why everyone in the world hates Israel, they're just plain and simple big time assholes. yes, all the israel men have that assholeness. I for one was born here but grew in the US, have great manners, never show off, never stuck up. this is what women like not that shit ass israeli men like the asshole looking guys in zohan which are all over.
girls, i'm asian. i have 'encountered' 6 israeli guys. i totally understand why we fall for them, they are physically attractive, sexy. i have to say, my experience is they are very good in bed, too. for me, they are sexually desirable. they are known to be funny and they are. if you are a player, they are the best partner. HOWEVER, they are also bad in the way all you have described. honestly, their behaviours ARE really israeli guys' behaviour. not just MEN at large. over self-confi, blunt, i feel like they think their own feelings are the only feelings on earth. in other words, they magnify all the bad things of men. they, are very MAN (yes, i'm such a generous person). even me (i consider myself pretty submissive) i can't take their macho side, too much, they are disgusting sometimes. it's so hard to look that disgusting when they have such a good looking face, so you can imagine their behaviours are really making ppl sick. in fact, if you have been to places where they like to travel to (like south america), you will hear the worst comments on israelis...they have no respect for others, they act like they are the center of the earth...(in fact, some hotels/ hostels reject israelis) and sadly, after my personal encounter with them, most of the comments are true. sadly, they look so yummy with that 'greek god' look. go ahead if you need a toy, they are the best. if you are looking for husband, run away.
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Oh my god. every last word from all of you is haunting. My deepest sympathy to those that have been exploited in a relationship with a man they trusted. Gross behavior. Especially that bit about the filming of the escort. Why are people so f'ing demented.
Okay, so I accidentally fell in love with and married an Israeli. I figured it was my best option considering I had all kinds of middle eastern and latin men hot on my trail... all of whom are macho and spoiled by mommy. I would never have given my husband two minutes of my time if I had not just been through a radically traumatic loss and transition in my life. Yes Im an American and not Jewish but not your typical California juicy couture wearing hussy either.Im a pretty smart lady with some pretty bad luck. I love my husband dearly but we are separated and the culture clash between us has been awkward but accounted for... it is the communication problems and the lack of straightforwardness that have been the source of all the trouble. Basically he begged me to be with him and knowing what I knew about his history I was suckered in out of compassion. Not to say we dont have amazing chemistry. There are a great many things I do not like about his culture but it is hard to actually determine what is cultural and what is personality for I have dated more than one non- American and visited them in their home countries and have felt my own cultural tendencies work against me in such a way that the good parts of my personality could not shine through, and people have assumed that some of my characteristics are inherent in all americans which they definitely are not (good or bad.)
I met my Israeli man and we got married in a fever... Reason and rationality were not guests at the wedding. I had the feeling that he was not quite honest with me about things but I have dismissed this as a stereotype of middle eastern sales men that I was reflecting on him so I fought with myself to not do that... which has added to the incredibly intense emotional roller coaster he has dragged me onto. we were living happily alone. My american christian mother was coming to meet him for the first time and was going to stay with us when at the last minute he had a friend fly in to take up the guest room when I had begged him to wait a few more days and he ignored my pleas. the guest brought out every single bad quality my husband had but that I did not see and I could not handle it. I left him and struggled to find a place to stay as I live very far from my friends and family. I waited for the guest that was supposed to help him with his business to leave but just as I had worried, the guest actually helped to put him out of business. when he finally left after two months I went back to try to resolve things and our last month together was mostly hell with severe emotional break downs and outbursts from me. (continued below)
Anonymous said...
(cont. from above)
Sometimes I wish he had tried to act the way he did to a typical american woman so that he would understand just how lucky he was to find someone that doesnt expect him to behave like an american nor wishes him to change his culture. I only wish for him to be honest and straightforward. I have suffered through what would ordinarily be classified as emotional abuse here in the states and what would ordinarily be just cause for a man to have his ass beat by big brothers, but I understand that much of it has to do with the Israeli man's need to feel like he is protecting and teaching the woman by being macho and aloof because he actually doesn't know a thing about the way things are and is living on a very superficial level that can not be sustained for very long periods of time. Sad but true. we are separated but not divorced and it makes me truly truly sad. the worst part is that the person that I loved and married disappeared and has left me with a really big emotional mess and the worst disappointment of my life. I am ashamed that I was suckered in by the perpetual victim persona that is part of the culture and why the rest of the world has so little tolerance for israelis and that they have so little tolerance for themselves. it is in fact giant paradox of a country, spoiled and infantile and suckling the teet of the rest of the modern world yet aggressive and overly confident and with that sense of entitlement and unable to adapt to progressive and positive ways of thinking that are the foundation of the modern world. Advancements in Technology can not be considered if they are in regards to warfare.. it cancels out the progressive validity.
I do not say that with anger for I feel much more sadness than anger at my loss and have tried to repair my relationship in any way that I can. I am incredibly disappointed with my husbands lack of compassion which does not seem to be a highly valued characteristic to him and some of the other israeli men that ive met for they sadly see it is a weakness and not as a strength. I did not intend to make this blog just a scorned wife and lover's rant but I do find comfort in knowing that other people have shared their experiences and so I am returning the favor.
Anonymous said...
hi again. oh...so if he has that strange look of a woman and he is like you sad...bisexual...what on earth attracted you to him? I find it very humiliating to be a powerful(!) woman going out with this kind of a man....how does your past with men looking? ok, i see you need money...but i can also see you are walking through your life blind folded....honestly, do you think you will be really happy like this? i personally wouldn`t accept it. and..oh...you will get tired of this saving...saving it`s ok..but they are saving the savings of the savings....you will pay for that car what it doesn`t worth... but it`s your decision....
Anonymous said...
Hi,
I'm from Poland (not jewish but I know them).Israeli men (we have some of them here:) are really charming, smart, joking people about themselves - but only for short time. For long distance usually they show their impatient and driveing themselves crazy for no reason. They can't control themselves at all. I know that many of them are using violence against their women and give a very hard time in emotional way. So pity, cuz Israeli men are so impressive for first sight. Even I'm just friend I heard that "women are more stupid than men", "women place is at home", "education for women is wasting the money" etc. Yeah, life with Israeli guy is not such easy thing - it can be nightmare.
Anonymous said...
Cindy, get out while you can. Almost a third of Israeli men are gay now and many more are living the gay lifestyle WHILE THEY ARE MARRIED! It's tragic especially for the wife and kids who can only endure the situation or be on their own in poverty. Israeli men seem to think only about sex and live for that more than anything. Israel is rife with brothels and prostitutes everywhere and Tel Aviv has become the most gay friendly city in the world. I am an Israeli woman and I can tell you honestly our men are not worth the trouble. They hunt for foreign women to marry because they know Israeli women know them too well and will not put up with their nonsense.
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I'm from Poland (not jewish but I know them).Israeli men (we have some of them here:) are really charming, smart, joking people about themselves - but only for short time. For long distance usually they show their impatient and driveing themselves crazy for no reason. They can't control themselves at all. I know that many of them are using violence against their women and give a very hard time in emotional way. So pity, cuz Israeli men are so impressive for first sight. Even I'm just friend I heard that "women are more stupid than men", "women place is at home", "education for women is wasting the money" etc. Yeah, life with Israeli guy is not such easy thing - it can be nightmare.
Anonymous said...
I was engaged to an Israeli guy, loved him very much, what a psycho...I had to leave, painful as it was. Macho and stubborn, spoiled brat when he can't have his own way...Dear G-d, I just couldn't take it anymore!!! Reason never seemed to apply, even if something he said was completely insane, in his world, it was fact and there was no changing his mind if you brought in ten experts. Everything seems to insight an attitude or argument between Israelis. I just wanted to feel as an equal partner to my fiance, but his nice guy act would only last so long until he'd convince me to come back to him and then he'd start again with the macho, "I'm the man of the house" crap again. He was very manipulative, he knew why I kept leaving him and sometimes would admit "You have been better to me than any girl in my life and I know I haven't behaved well or talked to you nicely" other times, it was all my fault "You just wanna leave cause I'm too good to you", so which is it?! I think he knows...That macho ego is ugly...
I lived in Israel for two years when I was with him and found most of the people to be extremely aggressive which really annoyed me. In the US, we tend to not be so blunt, we try to candy coat things, I can't tell you how many times I almost fainted when I heard Israelis insult each other like "You're fat" or "You're not good looking enough to get into that club", I almost had a heart attack. And then one can't forget the guy who told me to get off a public bench on a main road, cause he wanted to sit there and therefore, he was so special of course, it should be his!!
Got pushed out of the way in stores, pretty much told what to do by everybody...Seems to be a theme there "I know everything, so just listen to me and save time cause I'm obnoxious and inpatient anyway!"
I am sure there are good people everywhere, this was just my experience. My ex fiance always said he hated Israeli women because they were so bossy, in the end I told him "Good, you will end up with someone just like you! Guess that's what you deserve, huh?!"
My advice, from experience, RUN for your life. You will only be turned into emotional road kill.
I also had a nightmare experience with a man I met in Israel. I am still tramatized and need thearpy prb. ell, I am a jewish american and went to Israel and met a guy in a shop which his father owned. He was the best looking guy I had seen so, I fell for him in the first day. I was bored and we talked and he asked for my number. I did not think he would call and he said lets hang out later. I thought he would not call but he did. He knew I was american. He started to call me everyday to hang out and I fell for him fast. He said he wanted to leave israel and I was so stupid I fell for his bullshit. He said ohh lets get married and i love you about one week into our thing. I was so stupid to believe his bs. I wanted to stay in israel and he said oh no go back and we can live in the us. BULLSHIT. WTF was I thinking. I will never listen to a man again. I was happy there. I came back to the us and my life fell apart. I lost my job, fought with my mom was in a depression. He still wnated to come so, I applied for a fiance visa. We could not get married in israel since we were not the same religion. He asked me to convert and I said no. So after all this bs paperwork and 8 months later they called him for the paper work. He was acting shady and we fought many times since he kept saying things and not following through. He didnt get the visa since he did not show proof and was an idiot anyways. He then vanished when the visa was not approved and later I found out he changed his number. Then I get a text from his old number with the message leave him alone if you love him? wtf?? He said later it was his mom or dad.
That was the most tramatizing experience of my life. I do love israel the land but, the men are satan. I read other stories and I see I am not the only one with a bad experience.
Also, when I was in the states I had an israeli landlord who asked if he could marrt me for papers in exchange for money. I refused obviously. We then started to hand out and he was pursuing me. I started to like him more and then I caught him with another women.
The experience I had with these men almsot ruined my life and has messed up my emotional stability. I now I need therapy still.
I still love israel despite all this I love the land not the people.
advice i have for people is
do not accept marriage proposals or i love yous within the first 3-4 months.
do not take them seriously if u have not meet their mother father all family
do not tell them where you are from if you are an american most want citizeship and will use you
many israeli men are sick in their head. i am sure there are some who are decent. many ones not from israel.
it is true they think about sex alot.
i ahve also seen they talk to multiple women at once.
many people stated that tel aviv is a gay city well so is Miami fl and there seems to be many similiarities of miami and tel aviv
if you are very smart,cautious and blow off these douch bags i think there is a chance to meet a nice guy.
better luck to all of us who deserve it like me..
yes you are right, miami and tel aviv have a LOT of similarities , many jews live in both. seems israeli/jewish men just love to have sex with anyone so it is logical to them to have sex with all. so sorry you were treated soo badly this way but know that israeli/jewish men have only 2 things on the mind, sex and money, if you do not give sex, you will have to give money, nothing else matters to them. I see it every day where i live in tel aviv. i am only here for the job and will leave as soon as it is done. no israeli man for me, thank you even though a few have tried to interest me in relationships. i listen to this page and see my own evidence that they are not prince charming but more like a bad dream to all the women, especially the wives, not for me. very sad that so many women are traumatized like this, women think more of yourself than this!
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